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Traction
I am considering adding a power adder to my C6 A6. I am interested in the experiences all of you with TT or SC -roots & centri- are having with traction. Are there particular speeds, RPM ranges, Torque and HP levels or combinations of the above that are associated with the loss of traction? How long does the traction issue last? Have any of you had success using boost controllers to manage the issue? It seems wider tires have limited benefit on the street.
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With a Maggie (roots) SC on an otherwise stock C6 and manual tranny... 1st gear gets obliterated at any speed, any rpm. Second gear at any speed, at any rpm can be made to spin at will. Third gear will provide a little wiggling, but otherwise you can generally obtain traction somewhere in 3rd. IF the weather is cold or if you are on stock tires however... 3rd can be made to spin up to the top of the gear. All bets are you generally plant by 4th gear.
Others will weigh in I'm sure - but I'd expect all the other F/I applications to be about the same. Depending upon the application and output, some could be worse in terms of gaining traction. A few I believe are getting into the boost controllers... but otherwise "traction" and "supercharged/turbocharged" generally go together like water and oil.
Others will weigh in I'm sure - but I'd expect all the other F/I applications to be about the same. Depending upon the application and output, some could be worse in terms of gaining traction. A few I believe are getting into the boost controllers... but otherwise "traction" and "supercharged/turbocharged" generally go together like water and oil.
Last edited by SSJCreeper; Jun 6, 2007 at 06:52 PM.
Melting Slicks
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it's an oxymoron. The thing is not wider rubber but better rubber. There are some intersting options down the line, Yokohama is making a tire for the Callaway C16, the Nitto Invo and Michelin is coming out with rubber for the new Viper.
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I do not think the horse is dead. I thought the focus of my questions was on how boost controllers & tired could help manage traction issues. A boost controller that controls boost by gear by RPM can, I believe, be quite effective in maximizing performance by keeping the tires hooked. I was interested in factual information such as I loose traction at this speed and rpm and I am making X TQ and Y HP at that point using Z method of power enhancemnt.
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99% of traction issues can be dealt with by lifting the right foot
Regardless of how good it feels you have to do it....... Its like pulling out ...
for the other 1% you need buy better rubber.
Man, do I have something on my mind today
Regardless of how good it feels you have to do it....... Its like pulling out ...
for the other 1% you need buy better rubber.
Man, do I have something on my mind today
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So at what point does the traction starts to become an issue, i mean rwhp wise for say better rubber? hoosiers/PS2s?
500?
600?
700?
and what else could be done besides rubber and loosening of that right foot?
500?
600?
700?
and what else could be done besides rubber and loosening of that right foot?
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So Z06 is almost there as with tune and very minor mods it touches 500 rwhp
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You got it brother. From a dig, those 700 ponies are damn near useless. Rolling 70mph bursts are where the high horse cars show their true potential, otherwise... anything below that is nothing more than a blantant display of tire melting power. Even with "only" 500rwhp, you can consider 1st and 2nd gear totally useless in terms of traction. Third is a mixed bag. Fourth gear is where you finally plant.
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You got it brother. From a dig, those 700 ponies are damn near useless. Rolling 70mph bursts are where the high horse cars show their true potential, otherwise... anything below that is nothing more than a blantant display of tire melting power. Even with "only" 500rwhp, you can consider 1st and 2nd gear totally useless in terms of traction. Third is a mixed bag. Fourth gear is where you finally plant.
Sorry to take it a little offtopic..
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Even with the addition of 335/30/20 PS2s on the rear, 1st gear is still pretty much useless for me. I do have significantly better traction from 2nd gear and up with the addition of wider and better better quality rubber.
Melting Slicks
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You need the right rubber and propper right foot control. It is more difficult but loads more fun. The days of smashing the throttle in the lower gears are pretty much over when you have that much power. You have to roll on the throttle and be smooth. It just forces you to be better at it. My 03 make 730+, it just takes a lot of focus and control.
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I am considering adding a power adder to my C6 A6. I am interested in the experiences all of you with TT or SC -roots & centri- are having with traction. Are there particular speeds, RPM ranges, Torque and HP levels or combinations of the above that are associated with the loss of traction? How long does the traction issue last? Have any of you had success using boost controllers to manage the issue? It seems wider tires have limited benefit on the street.
http://www.woodhouse.com/viper/racelogic/default.html
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Has anyone tried:
The Asemetrico?
The Pilot Cup?
The Invo
A taller tire 27, 28, 29" (our main problem lack of a good sticky taller tire)
We know there are C6Z06's runing 9's with DR's 17 Housier's hook
And lots of fast C5Z06's run 305 35 18 Nittos.
My car dead hooks even from a dig street and strip with BFG's 295 35 18 but it is slow only 11's so far, But I have a huge TQ hit down low.
The best tire for us should be the new MT ET radial 305 35 18 or 345 30 18 if you can fit it, but when will it be out July????
The Asemetrico?
The Pilot Cup?
The Invo
A taller tire 27, 28, 29" (our main problem lack of a good sticky taller tire)
We know there are C6Z06's runing 9's with DR's 17 Housier's hook
And lots of fast C5Z06's run 305 35 18 Nittos.
My car dead hooks even from a dig street and strip with BFG's 295 35 18 but it is slow only 11's so far, But I have a huge TQ hit down low.
The best tire for us should be the new MT ET radial 305 35 18 or 345 30 18 if you can fit it, but when will it be out July????