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Old May 24, 2009 | 03:21 PM
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I've read a few threads where some people are just shorting the leads from the adjustment together. I've read some who say don't do this as it will cause fuel pump failure faster. I'm not quite sure how the BAP actually works. It's got the dial, which i assume controls voltage, and then it's got a boost reference control. So here's what I'm not sure about. Is the boost reference just an "on/off" or does it actually vary voltage based on boost, if so how do you set this up with the lean/rich dial.

Would be very interested to know how you guys are setting these up.
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Well found this for anyone searching for a little more info on this in the future.

http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showth...ght=boost+pump
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BAP's are voltage and rpm regulated, as rpm's increase so does voltage. Most adjusters are set to max.
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Originally Posted by saplumr
BAP's are voltage and rpm regulated, as rpm's increase so does voltage. Most adjusters are set to max.
The MSD BAP is boost regulated. I used shop air and a regulator the set it before installation. I think I have mine set to about 16v at full boost.
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MSD bap here.
I set it with a bicycle pump to no more than 14.8v at any time, even under boost.
Seems to work fine.
Works out to about a 10% increase over stock voltage, which hopefully won't kill the pump too quickly.
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Old May 24, 2009 | 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by MARSC6
The MSD BAP is boost regulated. I used shop air and a regulator the set it before installation. I think I have mine set to about 16v at full boost.
Isn't that basically the same as voltage regulated. Or is it actually connected to a vaccum/boost fitting?
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Originally Posted by saplumr
Isn't that basically the same as voltage regulated. Or is it actually connected to a vaccum/boost fitting?
The MSD BAP is connected to a boost line.

The RPMs don't matter it increases voltage as the boost increases.
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The KB is also activated by boost but I was under the assumption voltage to the BAP increased as rpm's increased once boost is achieved.
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Originally Posted by saplumr
The KB is also activated by boost but I was under the assumption voltage to the BAP increased as rpm's increased once boost is achieved.
I know it can't be RPM regulated as there is no connection to let it know what the RPM is. It just has the vacuum connection and 12+ connection. I just wasn't sure if it continually varried the voltage based on boost, or if it just turned on to the set voltage once you were under boost.

Thanks for all the info guys. Now I just gotta figure out how to tune this thing!

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That works for a minute.Then your fuse box will burn up and leave you 434.00 lighter in the pocket.It is triggered by the vacume switch which I put in the brake booster vacume line.
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It appears the BAP is preset to 17 volts compared to stock 13 volt (while running) once activated, so it's either on or off.
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My installer was told to cut the RCA, connect the two leads together & go from there. Reason for not leaving the rca controller was that if it comes loose in boost, you will go lean & cook something.

This is how it was explained to me anyway....
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Originally Posted by saplumr
It appears the BAP is preset to 17 volts compared to stock 13 volt (while running) once activated, so it's either on or off.
I never used the KB BAP but the MSD will increase voltage with boost.

http://www.msdignition.com/product.a...erms=fuel+pump
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Originally Posted by MARSC6
I never used the KB BAP but the MSD will increase voltage with boost.

http://www.msdignition.com/product.a...erms=fuel+pump
Goes to show you're never to old to learn something.
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Originally Posted by MARSC6
I never used the KB BAP but the MSD will increase voltage with boost.

http://www.msdignition.com/product.a...erms=fuel+pump
Just out of curiosity, I assume the MSD has a manual controller but do you have it set at the max setting?
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Originally Posted by Luweegy
That works for a minute.Then your fuse box will burn up and leave you 434.00 lighter in the pocket.It is triggered by the vacume switch which I put in the brake booster vacume line.
were you using it with the RaceTronix wiring harness? I would think this should avoid burning up the factory wiring.
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Originally Posted by saplumr
Just out of curiosity, I assume the MSD has a manual controller but do you have it set at the max setting?
If I remember correctly I have it set about half way to max out at about 16v. It can be adjusted up to 22v which I think would be to much for the fuel pump.

I used compressed air with a regulator to vary the air pressure while measuring the output with a meter to adjust the settings.
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Old May 24, 2009 | 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by MARSC6
If I remember correctly I have it set about half way to max out at about 16v. It can be adjusted up to 22v which I think would be to much for the fuel pump.

I used compressed air with a regulator to vary the air pressure while measuring the output with a meter to adjust the settings.
After a little research I've found these are a little more sophisticated than than I was giving them credit for. I agree 22 volts would probably be way to much for stock pump. My KB maxes out at 17.5.
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Old May 24, 2009 | 10:27 PM
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FYI, my tuner strongly advised against using any device that will increase voltage to the fuel pump. He sighted burnt fuse boxes, wires and fuel pumps. We did install the RaceTronics wire harness that takes current directly off the alternator to the pump, to avoid the risk of the current varying due to loads on the battery. My ProCharged car makes 550 rwhp and has a strong A/F graph. I've never had any issue with this set-up. My tuner believes that the stock pump is good for 600 rwhp. After that, a new dedicated fuel system is a good idea.
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My personal opinion is I don't like them... I don't like the idea of all those items in the fuel system that can fail. I had IPS Motorsports make me a custom fuel system that could handle my HP requirements without the BAP.
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