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We have gone round and round trying to find the best way to complete our supercharger package for the LS2 without sacrificing hood clearance and any restriction. Here is the direction we are going.......
LS2 to LS3 head swap.
With the design of the LS2 heads compared to the design of the LS3 heads we feel that this is the best direction to go. We currently have 3 cars in house in process with this set up.
Pictures of the process is below. We will have details and hp gains, final pricing soon.
Even if we designed the blower to work with the LS2 heads with our twin screw runner design it would of taken entirely too long as well as sacrifice power gains, etc....
I think you've taken the right direction. I assume you'll mill the heads a bit to keep the stock compression? Let me know what your plans are when you can, or I can come up sometime if that is easier for you. When is Pauzo picking up his car?
Carlos, two questions for those who have LS2:
a) How much a set of LS3 would cost to buy from GM?
b) Is it just a swap or other parts and actions need to take place?
Maybe, I'll sum it up this way, for LS2 to get an LS3, what would it cost?
I think a L92 head would work as well? If the L92 head would work that would be handy as the head flows great numbers and it can be had for a relatively inexpensive cost.
We are haggling the pricing right now to get the best possible solution for you all. I need a few days. I am compiling all the data as we speak and we still have to complete Rawbeez/pauzo rides
We are haggling the pricing right now to get the best possible solution for you all. I need a few days. I am compiling all the data as we speak and we still have to complete Rawbeez/pauzo rides
Hi Carlos;
What I was asking, was a general question for other shops who will be doing the install of your S/C for LS2. I just wanted to get an idea for LS2 guys, how much more gets added.
Hmmm, I posted up a thread about this, and I'm actually happy that you guys decided to go this direction. Now the only other issues are of course the heads flow better in certain areas, but when they hit the 5500-5800 RPM range they seem to drop off, just from all of the L92 heads I've had on many different motors this seems to be the issue. One of the questions above was the milling of the heads. I think you should leave them at the stock height and drop the 11:1 compression down, that wont hurt the motor, and it will put in some safety in the build as well. If you guys can get the heads ported in bulk you can save some serious money for people (again the other thread has the link to ebay deals on the L92 heads) You will gain alot of efficiency and stability of the motor, I'd even crank the boost from 6lbs to 8 and not be worried about it. REMEMBER there still is a market for 243 LS2 heads, just go over to the LS1 guys they still are buying the heads so that will also cut your cost factor down as well.
I think you've taken the right direction. I assume you'll mill the heads a bit to keep the stock compression? Let me know what your plans are when you can, or I can come up sometime if that is easier for you. When is Pauzo picking up his car?
San
San, I am scheduled to pick it up on July 3rd. My Toyo's arrive at Techco on Monday.
From: Greater Detroit Metro MI, when I'm not travelling.
Originally Posted by Flash99
Hmmm, I posted up a thread about this, and I'm actually happy that you guys decided to go this direction. Now the only other issues are of course the heads flow better in certain areas, but when they hit the 5500-5800 RPM range they seem to drop off, just from all of the L92 heads I've had on many different motors this seems to be the issue. One of the questions above was the milling of the heads. I think you should leave them at the stock height and drop the 11:1 compression down, that wont hurt the motor, and it will put in some safety in the build as well. If you guys can get the heads ported in bulk you can save some serious money for people (again the other thread has the link to ebay deals on the L92 heads) You will gain alot of efficiency and stability of the motor, I'd even crank the boost from 6lbs to 8 and not be worried about it. REMEMBER there still is a market for 243 LS2 heads, just go over to the LS1 guys they still are buying the heads so that will also cut your cost factor down as well.
Actully leaving them as-is will drop the 10.9:1 factory compression ratio down to about 9.8:1. You will lose efficiency, lose throttle response, lose off-boost torque (not a big deal since the twin screw is almost always on boost), lose fuel efficiency, etc...
Milling the heads some to regain compression at least into the low 10:1 range would be a good idea for a street car not looking for maximum power numbers.
Actully leaving them as-is will drop the 10.9:1 factory compression ratio down to about 9.8:1. You will lose efficiency, lose throttle response, lose off-boost torque (not a big deal since the twin screw is almost always on boost), lose fuel efficiency, etc...
Milling the heads some to regain compression at least into the low 10:1 range would be a good idea for a street car not looking for maximum power numbers.
I have been corrected! I take your word as gospel.
Actully leaving them as-is will drop the 10.9:1 factory compression ratio down to about 9.8:1. You will lose efficiency, lose throttle response, lose off-boost torque (not a big deal since the twin screw is almost always on boost), lose fuel efficiency, etc...
Milling the heads some to regain compression at least into the low 10:1 range would be a good idea for a street car not looking for maximum power numbers.
If you look at post #2 (mine), I already asked if they plan to mill the heads to keep stock compression. I know you have an LS2 as I do, so I'm trying to look out for the LS2 crowd. Cool?
We are haggling the pricing right now to get the best possible solution for you all. I need a few days. I am compiling all the data as we speak and we still have to complete Rawbeez/pauzo rides
You have a deadline of June 30 for people who have LS2 and LS7 engines to commit to buy in order to get the free installation as well as tuning and dyno runs before and after installation. Is this date going to be extended for LS2 and LS7 since the procedure and cost is still undetermined?
You have a deadline of June 30 for people who have LS2 and LS7 engines to commit to buy in order to get the free installation as well as tuning and dyno runs before and after installation. Is this date going to be extended for LS2 and LS7 since the procedure and cost is still undetermined?
From: Greater Detroit Metro MI, when I'm not travelling.
Originally Posted by oldmansan
If you look at post #2 (mine), I already asked if they plan to mill the heads to keep stock compression. I know you have an LS2 as I do, so I'm trying to look out for the LS2 crowd. Cool?
San
I knew you would I have a theory that you did those wheels and tires in preparation for going FI
I knew you would I have a theory that you did those wheels and tires in preparation for going FI
They're in preparation for power down the road and hopefully some roadracing. I'm curious as to whether Techco will mill the heads or make up for the compression with boost. I would suggest they try both avenues for comparison.
They're in preparation for power down the road and hopefully some roadracing. I'm curious as to whether Techco will mill the heads or make up for the compression with boost. I would suggest they try both avenues for comparison.
San
As we are looking at a decrease in CR from 10.9 to 10.4 (only 4cc diff in heads) we are planning on leaving them alone. We have worked these angles before, many times , with many projects. And the change is not that different to warranth the milling, and actually a little better for the blower.
We will be doing Ported heads also for customers, as well as full engines
BT
As we are looking at a decrease in CR from 10.9 to 10.4 (only 4cc diff in heads) we are planning on leaving them alone. We have worked these angles before, many times , with many projects. And the change is not that different to warranth the milling, and actually a little better for the blower.
We will be doing Ported heads also for customers, as well as full engines
BT
I might be available as a guinea pig for a motor/blower but I need a bit more information on the heat testing you guys did. I'm looking for a setup that is roadraceable.