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Old Jul 30, 2009 | 11:34 PM
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Just curious...if money was not an option modding a C6 Z06, wanted a measly "safe" 650rwhp, stock short blk, virtually maintance free set up, ease of install (I know not a TT kit), very quiet FI, perfect drivability (as close to stock as possible), no big cam lope (may use stock cam), no meth, pump (93), what would most of you choose and why...

          BTW...looking for a set up that gives great power under the curve like a well built N/A motor...one FI kit doesn't necessarily have the same power under the curve as the other.

          Any other suggestions...? No TVS/roots style or nitrous...

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          Old Jul 31, 2009 | 12:58 AM
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          ProCharger, all the way!! just finished up the trans and diff. Shifts like butter.
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          Old Jul 31, 2009 | 01:29 AM
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          I can not speak for the current production models, but my D-1 Procharger is very loud, as was my previous P-1. Noisy loud, and not in a good way.

          I would look at the V and P units if I was going to do it all over again with a centrifugal package. Check out A&A and ECS packages. Many CF members feel their packages are of a superior caliber/design relative to Procharger's packages.
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          Old Jul 31, 2009 | 06:14 AM
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          hmmm.. since money isnt an option i'd like to say go with the APS TT kit. .just cause saying Twin Turbo Z OOOOO SIX is sexy!

          vortech T trim for ease of install

          if you can get 93 octane, youll hit 650, if only 91, then you'll need meth to be safe.

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          Old Jul 31, 2009 | 08:25 AM
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          I'm partial to the proven results of the ECS Paxton centrifugal.


          Feel free to call the shop if you would like to discuss further.
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          Old Jul 31, 2009 | 09:09 AM
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          Thanks for the info guys...I've had my heart set on an APS TT kit since my '07 Z but after reading many, many posts (both good and bad) and talking with a couple shop techs it is a pretty big undertaking installing the APS kit. I know the kit is OEM quality and can perform well. The cool factor of having a big CI Twin Turbo V-8 is something I've always wanted since my days of my modded TT 300ZX. I agree it is way up there in the cool factor along with it's abilities.

          I've had a 1000rwhp F1 Procharged SS Camaro so I've done the SC before. In some respects I know what to expect, but on a much smaller scale. I want something with ZERO belt issues, quiet and ease of tuning for perfect drivability. I realize I can't compare a mild SC set up with the Z06 to the wild set up I had with the SC 408 I had in the SS.

          Doug I appreciate your response. I've read nothing but positive comments about ECS and your Paxton SC installs. I need to do some additional reading on the Novi and see what all the differences are between them and who is using the best IC for each application. I know how important AIT's are and how important the quality, size, location and type of IC is used.

          Any other comments or suggestions I'm all ears...
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          Old Jul 31, 2009 | 10:14 AM
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          My D1 is quiet compared to others?....comments from others telling me so along with my own ears listening to others. Why? Mine is newer....procharger changed something? My blower is still pretty loud.
          I think your best bet is to deal with someone like ECS (top shelf) because they know via their experience with LS motors and vettes. As well their presence on this board proves it to me. Poor vendors don't last long here.
          I have learned that via my dealings with Champion, ECS, IPS & Rpm Transmissions.
          Very ethical and caring for what you ask for.

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          Old Jul 31, 2009 | 10:45 AM
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          A&A kit. The vortech will be ALOT quieter than a procharger.
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          Originally Posted by DJ'sZ
          • ProCharger kit (new helical-cut gear sets)
          • Paxton kit
          • Vortech kit
          • APS TT kit

          Having built and installed every version you mentioned above I can tell you that you'll be happy with any of the above if installed and tuned correctly. The blower stuff can be tricky to setup right like you have already experienced from the sounds of it. Most of the time on the stock 6 rib you'll be fine right out of the box but I have seen cases where there are misalignments from the factory accessories that won't show up until you put the blower on. Little details like this can make or break a "reliable" setup.

          APS is a very unique setup and has some big advantages and the TTix kit is also top notch. The heat generated from these systems are intense and need additional measures to keep everything alive under the hood IMO for a durable system - especially in Texas. Labor to install is easily double the cost of a centri setup.

          Give me a call if you have any questions or would like a quote...
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          Old Jul 31, 2009 | 11:55 AM
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          You'll be happy with any one on the list, but a F1A or C on your car would make you VERY happy, with much room to grow
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          Old Jul 31, 2009 | 12:40 PM
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          Originally Posted by Taylor@DallasPerformance

          Having built and installed every version you mentioned above I can tell you that you'll be happy with any of the above if installed and tuned correctly. The blower stuff can be tricky to setup right like you have already experienced from the sounds of it. Most of the time on the stock 6 rib you'll be fine right out of the box but I have seen cases where there are misalignments from the factory accessories that won't show up until you put the blower on. Little details like this can make or break a "reliable" setup.

          APS is a very unique setup and has some big advantages and the TTix kit is also top notch. The heat generated from these systems are intense and need additional measures to keep everything alive under the hood IMO for a durable system - especially in Texas. Labor to install is easily double the cost of a centri setup.

          Give me a call if you have any questions or would like a quote...
          Thats what I wanted to hear...great info Taylor I appreciate it. Quality of install and tune is HUGE with this FI stuff I know all to well...as far as the TT set ups thats one of the other issues I was concerned about (heat in the engine compartment, under the car and around the center console inside the car). I do want a durable system with very limited to zero issues (if thats possilble) and not compromise the integrity of other things. I can totally relate to belt-misalignment issues and what it can take to resolve. I know, hard to have your cake and eat it too...but I'm gonna try like hell.

          From what I understand ProCharger has the helical-cut gears available which virtually eliminates the gear noise. I know of a few D1's on the road that are not too bad with the older head units. But I want it even quieter and it seems ProCharger is offering the helical set up now.
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          Old Jul 31, 2009 | 12:44 PM
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          Originally Posted by Mr.Big
          You'll be happy with any one on the list, but a F1A or C on your car would make you VERY happy, with much room to grow
          F1 is more than I need and too damn loud...

          My SS in action...

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          Originally Posted by DJ'sZ
          From what I understand ProCharger has the helical-cut gears available which virtually eliminates the gear noise. I know of a few D1's on the road that are not too bad with the older head units. But I want it even quieter and it seems ProCharger is offering the helical set up now.

          The Paxton units are the ones that use the Helical gears, and are very quiet. I do not remember what they call the Procharger gears, but they are not helical or quiet.
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          Originally Posted by DOUG @ ECS
          The Paxton units are the ones that use the Helical gears, and are very quiet. I do not remember what they call the Procharger gears, but they are not helical or quiet.

          Doug you are right the Paxton head unit is the quietest head unit on the market probably. The NOVI 2000 is a nice piece for sure as well as the entire ECS kit.

          However, ProCharger does have a helical gear set for "noise reduction" that they released this year.
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          Still love that plate.
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          Originally Posted by MachineWorks
          Still love that plate.
          LOL...yep still got it even though it's been through hell and back...

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          im happy with my paxton. quiet and does the job just right
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          Originally Posted by DOUG @ ECS
          The Paxton units are the ones that use the Helical gears, and are very quiet. I do not remember what they call the Procharger gears, but they are not helical or quiet.
          This is something fairly new? All of the novi 2000's I have heard have been fairly loud. Much louder than my t-trim.
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          Originally Posted by user_name
          This is something fairly new? All of the novi 2000's I have heard have been fairly loud. Much louder than my t-trim.
          Yea but compared to a d1/f1 procharger you cant even hear the novi...
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          Originally Posted by DJ'sZ
          Thanks for the info guys...I've had my heart set on an APS TT kit since my '07 Z but after reading many, many posts (both good and bad) and talking with a couple shop techs it is a pretty big undertaking installing the APS kit. I know the kit is OEM quality and can perform well. The cool factor of having a big CI Twin Turbo V-8 is something I've always wanted since my days of my modded TT 300ZX. I agree it is way up there in the cool factor along with it's abilities.

          I've had a 1000rwhp F1 Procharged SS Camaro so I've done the SC before. In some respects I know what to expect, but on a much smaller scale. I want something with ZERO belt issues, quiet and ease of tuning for perfect drivability. I realize I can't compare a mild SC set up with the Z06 to the wild set up I had with the SC 408 I had in the SS.

          Doug I appreciate your response. I've read nothing but positive comments about ECS and your Paxton SC installs. I need to do some additional reading on the Novi and see what all the differences are between them and who is using the best IC for each application. I know how important AIT's are and how important the quality, size, location and type of IC is used.

          Any other comments or suggestions I'm all ears...
          Here is my suggestion, do it the first time and be done. It seems like your pretty set on the tt set up or at least thats what is running through the back of your mind reguardless of thee install even if it is easy, if its not what you want, you wont be happy...

          And theres nothing more quiet than turbo's..
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