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Old Dec 22, 2009 | 09:21 AM
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I am getting a Procharger race valve installed and I was thinking of getting a smaller pulley installed at the same time.

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P1SC with a 4.25 pulley for 6.5 lbs of boost = 620 RWHP 543 lb on
91 octane pump gas only - no meth

I have a upgraded springs and push rods along with a cam and headers.

what is a safe level of boost for an LS3 - I was thinking of going to a 4 inch pulley...

experience please

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Old Dec 22, 2009 | 11:35 AM
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Wow.. Those are really good #'s for the P1 and 6.5psi.. I wouldn't turn up the boost unless your running meth.. I run a D1 @ 12-13psi w/ meth and make 710/636.. My afr is 11.2 I feel this is safe and am very happy with the results, but if I were you, I wouldn't push it any more without meth.
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Thats a lot of power for low octane fuel, I would leave it there and be happy if I was you. Good luck with it.
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620hp or 620rwhp? 620 at the wheels with 6.5psi is amazing. I've got 571rwhp with 8.5psi on my LS2.
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620hp or 620rwhp? 620 at the wheels with 6.5psi is amazing. I've got 571rwhp with 8.5psi on my LS2.
620 RWHP... so what I am hearing is just be happy

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Old Dec 22, 2009 | 05:16 PM
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Thats a lot of power for low octane fuel, I would leave it there and be happy if I was you. Good luck with it.
I am with Doug here and are you using Meth?
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I am with Doug here and are you using Meth?
no meth...I do have a kit in the garage...just never put it on as I want to keep the car simple.

so just 91 pump gas

I figured I could had a couple of pounds of boost and be safe, but it sounds like that might not work without pulling timing etc... to keep it safe.
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Old Dec 22, 2009 | 10:41 PM
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Is this rwhp or fwhp? 620 rwhp with no meth, 91 octane, and 6.5 lbs. of boost?

Oh ok...just saw the cam.
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Originally Posted by birk1
no meth...I do have a kit in the garage...just never put it on as I want to keep the car simple.

so just 91 pump gas

I figured I could had a couple of pounds of boost and be safe, but it sounds like that might not work without pulling timing etc... to keep it safe.
I most certainty would not add boost with out adjusting spark...

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I'm at 672rwhp on my LS3. 8.5psi with TVS2300. I do plan on adding a boost cooler soon. Meth or maybe WW fluid. I'm not going to tune it to depend on the meth though. The power it's making now is good enough for me. I guess I have about 4K miles on this setup. So far so good.
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Originally Posted by birk1
no meth...I do have a kit in the garage...just never put it on as I want to keep the car simple.

so just 91 pump gas

I figured I could had a couple of pounds of boost and be safe, but it sounds like that might not work without pulling timing etc... to keep it safe.

If ya have a meth kit ...... use it....easy.....along with the 4" pulley....and a fresh tune.
I know ya want more power....or will....inevitable.
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My '09 made right on 600rw at 5.5psi with the turbos. I honestly don't see how adding more power makes the car any faster since it's constantly riding the traction control in the first three gears. 600rw is a LOT of power, be happy with it, enjoy it, and don't get greedy.
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old motorhead & TurboLX, you guys running an aftermarket cam and/or heads? Pump gas?
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what cam are you using?
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Originally Posted by old motorhead
I'm at 672rwhp on my LS3. 8.5psi with TVS2300. I do plan on adding a boost cooler soon. Meth or maybe WW fluid. I'm not going to tune it to depend on the meth though. The power it's making now is good enough for me. I guess I have about 4K miles on this setup. So far so good.

Those are crazy #'s considering a ZR1 with CAI, Headers, and race fuel and pullied to 17psi only makes 700/700 with essentially the same blower.. Are you running meth?
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Originally Posted by Slvr08Z51
Those are crazy #'s considering a ZR1 with CAI, Headers, and race fuel and pullied to 17psi only makes 700/700 with essentially the same blower.. Are you running meth?
No meth yet. I run 93 octane and stock heads. Compared to a ZR1, I have a much bigger cam, much better exhaust (long tube headers, no cats, straight thru muffs), higher compression ratio, a better intake, and a more aggressive tune.

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Alex Trebec - "The answer is, a safe level of boost for an LS3".

Ding - "What is KABOOM -1 Alex?"

Jez, I don't want to be the Grinch who stole Christmas here but am I the only one who's going to call BS? 620 RW with 6.5 PSI, 91 octane, no meth? With a P1 no less? Either the boost gauge is lying or the dyno is. I'm a little short on cubes but I have a similar setup and I need to push ~11.5 PSI to get my numers.
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Originally Posted by simplyphp
620hp or 620rwhp? 620 at the wheels with 6.5psi is amazing. I've got 571rwhp with 8.5psi on my LS2.
I agree here. I had 578rwhp and 530rwtq on my last dyno with 9.03max
boost. The tune is the safety in concert together with the boost!
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Originally Posted by 5 Liter Eater
Alex Trebec - "The answer is, a safe level of boost for an LS3".

Ding - "What is KABOOM -1 Alex?"

Jez, I don't want to be the Grinch who stole Christmas here but am I the only one who's going to call BS? 620 RW with 6.5 PSI, 91 octane, no meth? With a P1 no less? Either the boost gauge is lying or the dyno is. I'm a little short on cubes but I have a similar setup and I need to push ~11.5 PSI to get my numers.
You broke the ice, I was thinking yeah right too!
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EPP made 671rhwp on just 8.4psi. Mustang dyno. It was done on an LS3 powered Camaro. Procharger D-1sc, cam, and bolt ons. The LS3 headed motors are very boost freindly. Don't guys pick up 40 to 50 rwhp when going from LS2 to LS3 heads on a cam only LS2? If you make them breathe easy (upgrade intake, heads, cam, and exhaust), you don't need a huge amount of boost for 600+ rwhp.
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