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Old Mar 5, 2011 | 08:05 PM
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Well, I started the crank pinning process today and all was well until I went to put the pin in the crank. After I driiled the hole (with the bit supplied in the kit) I grabbed a hammer and punch and went back under the car, only to find that the pin would go in with absolutly no pressure what so ever. I can also remove the pin with just a magnet.

I'm going to call the company I got the kit from Monday, but thought you guys might have some suggestions, I don't really want to have to wait until next weekend to start putting it back tgether.

Only thing I can think will work is to get a slightly bigger pin.
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Old Mar 5, 2011 | 08:55 PM
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A slightly larger pin is definitely what I would do. Don't really have much of a choice since the hole is already drilled.
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Old Mar 5, 2011 | 09:32 PM
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Did you use a drill jig? If not you would have a tuff time drilling straight and on center.
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Yea, the kit comes with a "pin fixture" so you drill straight and exactly where you should. Only problem seems to be that the hole is just a tiny fraction of an inch to big in diameter than the pin.
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Old Mar 6, 2011 | 11:14 AM
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Yea, the kit comes with a "pin fixture" so you drill straight and exactly where you should. Only problem seems to be that the hole is just a tiny fraction of an inch to big in diameter than the pin.
Cut the back end of the drill off and use that as the pin. Check to see if is snug first. Should work fine.
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Cutting the back off the drill bit is a good idea, if that fails to be tight enough, and you can't find any pins let me know the exact size and length you want and I will fire up my lathe and make you a pin.

You're in a bind now as you already have the hole. But don't worry too much if you have plenty of time, worst case is getting a pin made.
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you could also stop by your local machine shop and get another pin with the right size bit and just drill another hole.
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Cut the back end of the drill off and use that as the pin. Check to see if is snug first. Should work fine.
Thanks for the idea! I would have NEVER thought of that.

Cutting the back off the drill bit is a good idea, if that fails to be tight enough, and you can't find any pins let me know the exact size and length you want and I will fire up my lathe and make you a pin.

You're in a bind now as you already have the hole. But don't worry too much if you have plenty of time, worst case is getting a pin made.
Thanks for the offer, I think I will try the back of the dill bit first. If that does not work my dad has a friend who I am sure can make a bigger pin for me.
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Is a drill bit of the same strength as the material in a crank pin? I've never snapped a crank pin....I've broken dozens of drill bits though.
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One thing to consider is that the pin will be trapped in the hole by the washer, so it is not going anywhere. Unless is it really loose in the hole, a little loctite and you should be fine.

I like the drill bit idea too.
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Is a drill bit of the same strength as the material in a crank pin? I've never snapped a crank pin....I've broken dozens of drill bits though.
Have you ever drilled with a crank pin?
Drills are always made of hardened steel, which is what the pin might be, assuming it isn't simply mild steel. Stresses on it are not very high.
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Have you ever drilled with a crank pin?
Drills are always made of hardened steel, which is what the pin might be, assuming it isn't simply mild steel. Stresses on it are not very high.
McMaster-Carr shows 19 different material compositions used in dowel pins. The quality of a drill bit runs all over the spectrum....many are very brittle.
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Well the drill bit idea sounded good, but it is almost, if not just as loose as the pin.

So I'll just have to wait and see what the vendor suggest tomorrow.
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Originally Posted by Motorhead-47
McMaster-Carr shows 19 different material compositions used in dowel pins. The quality of a drill bit runs all over the spectrum....many are very brittle.
I don't think you realize that even with 1000ft-lbs torque on that crank the distributed pressure on the dowel pin is only a couple hundred psi. It won't break, and a drill bit is almost certainly made of better material.
To the OP: measure the hole, go to mc master Carr online, or a fastenal if there is one near you and buy a steel rod that fits: you are making way too big of a deal out of this: your crank pulley is held on by a very tight press fit and a massive bolt; that dowel pin is only there to stop it from slipping with the added drive power of the supercharger and the second it tries to do that it will catch the pin and lock one to place: the pin by no means needs to be hammered on tight. Get a slightly bigger on at mcmaster if it makes you sleep better at night but don't worry so much.

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Doesn't your drill bit set have bigger bits? Find one that fits. The last two cranks I've pinned both were done with hacked off drill bits. Still had the fixture, but no pins.
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Doesn't your drill bit set have bigger bits? Find one that fits. The last two cranks I've pinned both were done with hacked off drill bits. Still had the fixture, but no pins.
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I called for some tech support today and they said it was no problem. Sometimes they need a little nudge and sometimes they slide right in.

Doesn't your drill bit set have bigger bits? Find one that fits. The last two cranks I've pinned both were done with hacked off drill bits. Still had the fixture, but no pins.
I thought about a bigger bit but the next size I had was too big.
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If the drill bit was US, try a metric size. You might get lucky.
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Drop by a hardware store and pick up a roll pin of the size of the pin that came with the kit. They are oversize and will "shrink" to fit the hole as you drive it into place..
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