Boosted C6Z advise requested
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From: St. Charles Mo
To the 3 guys that responded to my E-85 questions (sorry, I can't multi quote from here), is the reason the op has to replace parts on the fuel system to address the problem that E-85 eats normal systems?
Is an alky system the same as meth system? I know what a meth system is. If not the same what is the difference and when would you use which. Not trying to highjack. I think this pertains.
Thanks,
Rich
Is an alky system the same as meth system? I know what a meth system is. If not the same what is the difference and when would you use which. Not trying to highjack. I think this pertains.
Thanks,
Rich
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To the 3 guys that responded to my E-85 questions (sorry, I can't multi quote from here), is the reason the op has to replace parts on the fuel system to address the problem that E-85 eats normal systems?
Is an alky system the same as meth system? I know what a meth system is. If not the same what is the difference and when would you use which. Not trying to highjack. I think this pertains.
Thanks,
Rich
Is an alky system the same as meth system? I know what a meth system is. If not the same what is the difference and when would you use which. Not trying to highjack. I think this pertains.
Thanks,
Rich
This will require him to have a fuel system capable of 900rwhp to get the job done. Problem is the OP is talking about boost-a-pump and 60lb injectors to get him the fuel he needs. If his shop was worth a damn they would know that he will need a heck of alot more than 60lb inj. a boostapump and stock lines to get him to what his needs are. Sure if he runs big enough injectors and the boost a pump he might be able to get away with it with his rev limiter lowered to like 6K or less and seeing a HUGE drop in fuel pressure to like 20psi or less under boost at higher RPMS.
OP will then need to do the full fuel system and then pay AGAIN to dyno tune his car.
Some people have to learn the hard way.
Last edited by APSGTO; May 28, 2011 at 10:02 PM.
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I tested ARH back to back with stock manifolds and only picked up 20 RWHP. BUT, I picked up a ton of torque down low.
The headers helped EVERYWHERE. There was not a single point on the graph that the headers did not help.
It was a VERY noticeable difference in part throttle response.
I will agree, however, that the FAST is a waste of funds.
But what do I know?
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Where did you hear that NONSENSE?
I tested ARH back to back with stock manifolds and only picked up 20 RWHP. BUT, I picked up a ton of torque down low.
The headers helped EVERYWHERE. There was not a single point on the graph that the headers did not help.
It was a VERY noticeable difference in part throttle response.
I will agree, however, that the FAST is a waste of funds.
But what do I know?
I tested ARH back to back with stock manifolds and only picked up 20 RWHP. BUT, I picked up a ton of torque down low.
The headers helped EVERYWHERE. There was not a single point on the graph that the headers did not help.
It was a VERY noticeable difference in part throttle response.
I will agree, however, that the FAST is a waste of funds.
But what do I know?
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From: St. Charles Mo
No E-85 doesn't eat your stock fuel lines. The problem is the OP is already nearly maxed out on fuel and wants more power and to do it on E-85. E-85 requires 30% more fueling capasity than regular gas. The OP is going to be at ~680 rwhp with E-85 and the smaller pulley if his tuner knows what he is doing.
This will require him to have a fuel system capable of 900rwhp to get the job done. Problem is the OP is talking about boost-a-pump and 60lb injectors to get him the fuel he needs. If his shop was worth a damn they would know that he will need a heck of alot more than 60lb inj. a boostapump and stock lines to get him to what his needs are. Sure if he runs big enough injectors and the boost a pump he might be able to get away with it with his rev limiter lowered to like 6K or less and seeing a HUGE drop in fuel pressure to like 20psi or less under boost at higher RPMS.
OP will then need to do the full fuel system and then pay AGAIN to dyno tune his car.
Some people have to learn the hard way.
This will require him to have a fuel system capable of 900rwhp to get the job done. Problem is the OP is talking about boost-a-pump and 60lb injectors to get him the fuel he needs. If his shop was worth a damn they would know that he will need a heck of alot more than 60lb inj. a boostapump and stock lines to get him to what his needs are. Sure if he runs big enough injectors and the boost a pump he might be able to get away with it with his rev limiter lowered to like 6K or less and seeing a HUGE drop in fuel pressure to like 20psi or less under boost at higher RPMS.
OP will then need to do the full fuel system and then pay AGAIN to dyno tune his car.
Some people have to learn the hard way.
I understand all the desires of the op on his setup. I wouldn't do it. But, could you help me with the meth vs ally question?
Thanks,
Rich
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I thought most people in the Midwest knew ethanol was nasty stuff on a fuel system not designed to take it. I thought that is why you had to up grade the system. It eats the rubber out of a fuel system not prepared to take it in the long run. Hence the warning signs on the pumps and all the broke down lawn mowers and small engines in the midwest. No body would put pure ethanol in their car unless it was designed for it and expect the seals to last. Bash me if you please.
I understand all the desires of the op on his setup. I wouldn't do it. But, could you help me with the meth vs ally question?
Thanks,
Rich
I understand all the desires of the op on his setup. I wouldn't do it. But, could you help me with the meth vs ally question?
Thanks,
Rich
Gasoline is far more corrosive than ethanol is. Virtually everything that is designed to handle gasoline will handle ethanol as well.
Read this:
http://www.coleparmer.com/techinfo/chemcompresults.asp
Maybe also take a chemistry class while you are at it. I hate all the people on forums across the internet spreading misinformation about ethanol simply because they are naive and uneducated.
:smas h:
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From: St. Charles Mo
Some logic you got there. I put a ysi on my lawn mower and the engine blew! I guess that means I can't supercharger my Z06 either!!!
Gasoline is far more corrosive than ethanol is. Virtually everything that is designed to handle gasoline will handle ethanol as well.
Read this:
http://www.coleparmer.com/techinfo/chemcompresults.asp
Maybe also take a chemistry class while you are at it. I hate all the people on forums across the internet spreading misinformation about ethanol simply because they are naive and uneducated.
:smas h:
Gasoline is far more corrosive than ethanol is. Virtually everything that is designed to handle gasoline will handle ethanol as well.
Read this:
http://www.coleparmer.com/techinfo/chemcompresults.asp
Maybe also take a chemistry class while you are at it. I hate all the people on forums across the internet spreading misinformation about ethanol simply because they are naive and uneducated.
:smas h:You may want to talk to those flex fuel engineers that don't put aluminum or rubber into their systems, also? Do Z06 have aluminum and rubber in their direct line of of fire with the fuel system? I love back yard mechanics.
Last edited by Rich_562; May 28, 2011 at 11:41 PM.
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You hate me? Guess where I work? A refinery, maybe? That was a hint. Your link didn't work. Maybe you are uneducated or I can't click a link. Maybe you can explain the difference between an alky system and a meth system and get the thread back on track or ill explain why a gallon of eth takes 1.1 gallons to make. Oh wait, you hate me.
You may want to talk to those flex fuel engineers that don't put aluminum or rubber into their systems, also? Do Z06 have aluminum and rubber in their direct line of of fire with the fuel system? I love back yard mechanics.
You may want to talk to those flex fuel engineers that don't put aluminum or rubber into their systems, also? Do Z06 have aluminum and rubber in their direct line of of fire with the fuel system? I love back yard mechanics.
I personally think Meth injection is easier to do and gets 90% of the performance boost of running straight e-85. As far as the specific densities of ethanol or methanol and how to mix it with water to get exact 50/50 blend I don't bother with mixing it, I just run straight meth KISS.
I've seen 100's of cars running e-85 on stock lines with no issues. One specifically has over 40K miles with e-85 and no leaks or corrosion noticed.
This thread has been off track since the "My tuner said, headers loose torque down low" BS. Not even sure why the OP asked the boards if he was just going to do what his tuner said anyways.
Last edited by APSGTO; May 31, 2011 at 12:03 PM.