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Old May 20, 2011 | 06:59 PM
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Bought a Procharged C6Z about a month ago, and am looking at making a few changes and am looking for advise.

Car made 565 to the tires when Procharger had it back for a refresh about a year ago. I have no intentions of wanting to up the boost past the 4 lbs it already makes. I want to create a more efficient boosted car.

The car has B&B Fusions on it which I am selling to replace with a set of stock mufflers. After that is done, I was wanting advise on which headers with off road x to use and what recommendation could be made for switching to E85.

Again I do know that boost will drop from the current level with the headers installed, but I will bring that back up to a safe level with a pulley change. Car has been procharged for 14k miles with no issues and I want it to continue this course.

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Why changing out the Fusions? How much do you want for them?
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Why changing out the Fusions? How much do you want for them?
will be toooo loud with the long tubes and offroad x, for me of course. i want stock, it is just me.

have several people that want them , and am awaiting funds from a member right now.
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Oh ok, to try to provide some advice, I would go ahead with the exhaust and add a ported FAST 102 IM, then retune. Good Luck.
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Would the Dallas performance intake pick up any power at that boost level?
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Oh ok, to try to provide some advice, I would go ahead with the exhaust and add a ported FAST 102 IM, then retune. Good Luck.
Thanks for the advise, I think I have a plan.

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Would the Dallas performance intake pick up any power at that boost level?
Not sure. Spoke with EA last night, and we have a plan.
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Oh ok, to try to provide some advice, I would go ahead with the exhaust and add a ported FAST 102 IM, then retune. Good Luck.
What? Bad advice and waste of money. A FAST 102 on a stock boosted motor is a huge waste.
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What? Bad advice and waste of money. A FAST 102 on a stock boosted motor is a huge waste.
Correct, as well as long tubes and off road x. Found out last night, now I have a plan.
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What? Bad advice and waste of money. A FAST 102 on a stock boosted motor is a huge waste.

Why?
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Why?
Isn't the stock LS7 intake mani pretty good stock?
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Forget the FAST. Also, keep in mind that the stock Fusion is not exactly considered loud as far as exhausts go. I have had stock, Fusion, PRT, and Bullets and the Fusion and OEM mufflers are very similar at idle and cruise. I wanted a slightly louder sound OUTSIDE the car so I Dynamatted my interior to the best of my ability. Love the outcome.
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Isn't the stock LS7 intake mani pretty good stock?
I think the longer runners from the fast would help with tq down lown and would flow more air in total for higher hp on the big end, but interested in hearing why the FAST would not give better overall results than the stocker? He isn't intersted in raising the boost, so if he is looking for more power why not the FAST?
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Correct, as well as long tubes and off road x. Found out last night, now I have a plan.
Wow, man I must be all wrong? Please share why putting long tubes and FAST on your car would not increase your performance. This is the route I am interested in? Thanks.
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Just pulley it down and get 6 psi.......why would you spend thousands for 20-40whp max when you could just retune and put on a smaller pulley?

Power is power!!
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Wow, man I must be all wrong? Please share why putting long tubes and FAST on your car would not increase your performance. This is the route I am interested in? Thanks.
I was after 1 phone call. Putting long tubes and off road x will KILL the midrange. I am not interested in that, FAST effectively can do the same.

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Just pulley it down and get 6 psi.......why would you spend thousands for 20-40whp max when you could just retune and put on a smaller pulley?

Power is power!!
Yep that is where I am going, plus E85.
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[QUOTE=b16gsr;1577677121]I was after 1 phone call. Putting long tubes and off road x will KILL the midrange. I am not interested in that, FAST effectively can do the same.


I find that hard to believe. Good Luck with whatever you decide.
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Originally Posted by HoustonSVT
I think the longer runners from the fast would help with tq down lown and would flow more air in total for higher hp on the big end, but interested in hearing why the FAST would not give better overall results than the stocker? He isn't intersted in raising the boost, so if he is looking for more power why not the FAST?
Longer runners, maybe may make some difference. Better flow doesn't matter as your blower makes the flow what you want it to be. Want to flow an extra 100cfm? One pulley swap and blamo! The amount of air after the blower will be a finite amount no matter what the "flow" is on your application.

I do however subscribe to the long tubes are good theory. LTs take stress off the motor thus the usual psi drop when adding them. When you pulley down to make up for the pressure loss you pick up pretty good power without as much stress on the motor as just adding more boost.
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Originally Posted by Drewstein
Longer runners, maybe may make some difference. Better flow doesn't matter as your blower makes the flow what you want it to be. Want to flow an extra 100cfm? One pulley swap and blamo! The amount of air after the blower will be a finite amount no matter what the "flow" is on your application.

I do however subscribe to the long tubes are good theory. LTs take stress off the motor thus the usual psi drop when adding them. When you pulley down to make up for the pressure loss you pick up pretty good power without as much stress on the motor as just adding more boost.

Are you saying no matter the constriction on the engine, it would not make more power by removing the constriction because of the amount of air the blower is pushing? He could in essence put on an worse IM than what he has now and make the same power?

What do think would happen if this gentleman does put on a FAST?

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While I understand the correlation between boost pressure lost when adding LT, the boost lost doesn't mean he would be lossing power. In fact he would make more power at a lower boost. My advice is to add the LT, survey the increase in HP and TQ, and boost lost. Then consider putting a smaller diameter pulley on, but I am quite sure the OP is concerned with the amount of boost he his running on his LS7. I'm going to guess he could run less boost but have >600 rw with the addition of the LT and FAST.

Curious on why the FAST is getting said to be a bad addition to his arsenal? If it is the price of the setup, then that is relative to the person purchasing, but doesn't mean it would not provide a benifit.
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Originally Posted by HoustonSVT
Are you saying no matter the constriction on the engine, it would not make more power by removing the constriction because of the amount of air the blower is pushing? He could in essence put on an worse IM than what he has now and make the same power?

What do think would happen if this gentleman does put on a FAST?
I think the FAST is a waste on a NA application let alone on a boosted one.....

What are they $2000 for 10-15whp gain? He could easily add 100whp for $1k if he so chose.
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