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From what I understand the Kitty makes 12 lbs of boost, so not much left on the table there, if the plan is to use pump gas. The only advantage that Hemi has is the two spark plugs per cylinder and a beefy bottom end.
There may be a lot more left there. If the blower is bigger, it's certainly capable of pumping more air. If it has variable valve timing and good spark control, the limit on 93 octane goes up appreciably.
I know this is not a really strong comparison, but my wife's GMC Canyon runs on unleaded regular petrol and has a mechinical comp ratio of over 10:1. DOHC, direct injection, along with variable valve timing gives tuners lots to play with.
There may be a lot more left there. If the blower is bigger, it's certainly capable of pumping more air. If it has variable valve timing and good spark control, the limit on 93 octane goes up appreciably.
I know this is not a really strong comparison, but my wife's GMC Canyon runs on unleaded regular petrol and has a mechinical comp ratio of over 10:1. DOHC, direct injection, along with variable valve timing gives tuners lots to play with.
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Originally Posted by THE BLADE View Post
From what I understand the Kitty makes 12 lbs of boost, so not much left on the table there, if the plan is to use pump gas. The only advantage that Hemi has is the two spark plugs per cylinder and a beefy bottom end.
[QUOTE=old motorhead;1589372381]There may be a lot more left there. If the blower is bigger, it's certainly capable of pumping more air. If it has variable valve timing and good spark control, the limit on 93 octane goes up appreciably.
12 lbs is not a lot of boost these day with Meth injection... I think the intercooler is going to be the hold up on making bigger power...
It would be interesting to see the drive and driven pulley sizes for the blower used on the Hellcat.
I can tell you that the upper is very small, and I would be amazed if they can go smaller there. A couple of Kittys always show up at Lingenfelters cars and coffee on Saturdays.
Sneak over and put a tape measure on one. To really know, I guess you'd have to measure the crank pulley too. It'd be hard to be inconspicuous measuring the crank pulley though Seems I heard that there is some type of ratcheting mechanism on the driven end. When you get off the gas, the blower coasts to a stop. I read it on the internet....it has to be true...
From what I understand the Kitty makes 12 lbs of boost, so not much left on the table there, if the plan is to use pump gas. The only advantage that Hemi has is the two spark plugs per cylinder and a beefy bottom end.
With 9.5:1 compression and a combustion system designed for FI, I'd think there is still quite a bit of potential. While it doesn't have direct direction, the injectors do spray directly onto the intake valves to help cool the charge. I'm also going to ASSume, it has piston cooling jets, which are a big help. I'll be getting an LSA block if I ever decide or need to build my bottom end.
ZR1 guys have been pushing some pretty serious boost on pump gas. There are a lot of variables to consider, obviously, but I'm thinking the Hellcat should be in the same ballpark as far as it's potential.
It also has variable cam timing, so that's another possible advantage if it's designed for performance.
Originally Posted by old motorhead
It would be interesting to see the drive and driven pulley sizes for the blower used on the Hellcat.
What I've read claims the blower is spun at 2.36 times crankshaft rpm. 14,600 rpm is also the claimed max speed @ 6200 rpm fuel cutoff. Numbers seem to add up it seems. Being that it's a twin-screw, the other rotor spins faster. So maybe it'll it be rpm limited. That I don't know.