Pumpking returns???
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Drifting
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Pumpking returns???
Last I heard he sold everything or is this a completely new car? Curious what the new setup is. Makes me wish I would of went with the F1X that's for sure.
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Drifting
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Come on Feldman don't make it seem like it blew apart LOL! It didn't blow up literally! But had a balancer issue and decided to take it apart while repairing it and found out that it was in need of some refreshing up and new parts etc...It was run for a lot longer than one pull at 2K, and made a ton of pulls on dyno and street testing, that was just the last one at 2K. George was really upset because he asked for one thing and didn't get what he asked for and that wasn't from D3. They just did a most of the installation and tuning. But making a 2000+hp motor super reliable has its challenges. So not sure it was really feasible for a street car. But we get it Feldman AMP does great work bro! LOL!
Racer
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I believe they had to make a new youtube channel due to their recent name change from D3 Performance Engineering to Prospeed Autosports. So they are reposting their old videos. Also I know what actually went wrong and it had nothing to do with anything D3 did. I was actually at D3 when they were tearing it apart seeing what happened at the end of the TX2K weekend.
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The long block supplied to D3PE to put in the car was not assembled properly. The cam bolts were not loctited so they all backed out. Same story with the flywheel bolts, and the cam/crank sync got messed up by the gear being loose so the ecu was not being fed accurate info which caused it to have some wild timing values a few times. That is why it did great on the dyno and on early test hits then got much worse after some run time. I believe the engine builder didn't want to take responsibility so he just parted the car out and sold it.
Melting Slicks
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Oh wow that's horrible... if it's the engine builder I'm thinking of... he seems like a straight shooter & stand up guy... that really sucks to hear!
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Drifting
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The long block supplied to D3PE to put in the car was not assembled properly. The cam bolts were not loctited so they all backed out. Same story with the flywheel bolts, and the cam/crank sync got messed up by the gear being loose so the ecu was not being fed accurate info which caused it to have some wild timing values a few times. That is why it did great on the dyno and on early test hits then got much worse after some run time. I believe the engine builder didn't want to take responsibility so he just parted the car out and sold it.
That's exactly what I heard too. Who was the engine builder?
Drifting
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Yeah -squirrelynuts is real close to what happened. Some stuff happened long before TX2K. D3 was where the motor installs went down, but not sure if the FW bolts were on them or George himself. He did tell me, but don't recall as it was a moot point at that time. And yeah the bad taste in his mouth from the build and the proposed cost of a new one is why he sold the car.
Safety Car
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I remember William calling me asking if I had a spare balancer I could bring from New Orleans since I was getting to TX2K late that year. I tried to locate one for him but my only contact was Scoggin Dickey and couldn't get it in time. I know H2 built that motor he had. Not the first one for someone I know to not be built properly.
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The long block supplied to D3PE to put in the car was not assembled properly. The cam bolts were not loctited so they all backed out. Same story with the flywheel bolts, and the cam/crank sync got messed up by the gear being loose so the ecu was not being fed accurate info which caused it to have some wild timing values a few times. That is why it did great on the dyno and on early test hits then got much worse after some run time. I believe the engine builder didn't want to take responsibility so he just parted the car out and sold it.
Yeah -squirrelynuts is real close to what happened. Some stuff happened long before TX2K. D3 was where the motor installs went down, but not sure if the FW bolts were on them or George himself. He did tell me, but don't recall as it was a moot point at that time. And yeah the bad taste in his mouth from the build and the proposed cost of a new one is why he sold the car.
So much more went on with this car, it's funny how loose cam bolts made it through a few dozen dyno pulls and never scared the rear plate of the motor and never let loose on the dyno. I also find it funny how the cam bolts and damper were fine until the car was money shifted from 3rd to 2nd twice at 7,500 RPM
.. when that happened all the dampner bolts sheared the car motor was then torn down and broken cam bolts were found.
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Never heard of an engine builder installing a fly wheel.....
So much more went on with this car, it's funny how loose cam bolts made it through a few dozen dyno pulls and never scared the rear plate of the motor and never let loose on the dyno. I also find it funny how the cam bolts and damper were fine until the car was money shifted from 3rd to 2nd twice at 7,500 RPM.. when that happened all the dampner bolts sheared the car motor was then torn down and broken cam bolts were found.
So much more went on with this car, it's funny how loose cam bolts made it through a few dozen dyno pulls and never scared the rear plate of the motor and never let loose on the dyno. I also find it funny how the cam bolts and damper were fine until the car was money shifted from 3rd to 2nd twice at 7,500 RPM
.. when that happened all the dampner bolts sheared the car motor was then torn down and broken cam bolts were found.Listen to this guy here. It comes down to a shop trying to blame a engine builder for their mistake. Plus didn't D3 change the cam after getting the engine back and doing some dyno pulls? It was clearly posted on Facebook when they did it. So how can they blame H2 for the cam bolts backing out? Maybe they was in a hurry for 2k?
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Listen to this guy here. It comes down to a shop trying to blame a engine builder for their mistake. Plus didn't D3 change the cam after getting the engine back and doing some dyno pulls? It was clearly posted on Facebook when they did it. So how can they blame H2 for the cam bolts backing out? Maybe they was in a hurry for 2k?
im glad some else was paying attention. I don't believe d3 did the cam change. But the owner and a friends of the owners did it after hours.
Drifting
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I wasn't pointing the finger at any one single person or shop. I was just clearing up from what Whitlighting posted about the motor coming apart. George and I were talking a lot during this time and I have a real good picture of what happened and who did what. He asked me to come degree the cam at the time. I don't really care about talking about who was in the right or wrong when I wasn't directly involved cause there is always two or three sides to every story IMO. So its really a moot point, and I will say that anyone doing a build should just do some research shops and work done and not just go off of video's and internet hype. Its why I do almost all my own work. No one to blame but me most of the time lol!
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I wasn't pointing the finger at any one single person or shop. I was just clearing up from what Whitlighting posted about the motor coming apart. George and I were talking a lot during this time and I have a real good picture of what happened and who did what. He asked me to come degree the cam at the time. I don't really care about talking about who was in the right or wrong when I wasn't directly involved cause there is always two or three sides to every story IMO. So its really a moot point, and I will say that anyone doing a build should just do some research shops and work done and not just go off of video's and internet hype. Its why I do almost all my own work. No one to blame but me most of the time lol!