Why would it be illegal to relocate the cats? I'd like to see the regulation, anyone have a link, I've been searching and in most cases the regulations I have are listed for the manufacturer.

 

The EPA clearly states that no emissions device can be altered within the first 5 years or 60000 miles in any way unless it is proven to have worn out. Then it is to be replaced with OE stuff - only when OE stuff isn't available can aftermarket be used, and it must conform to same location etc and same emissions levels. If a shop tampers with this stuff and gets caught, they can lose their license.

 

If my insurance company, or the DMV didn't know about it I wouldn't report it.

 

And get fined. He can do his own google on this, but to many here it is already common knowledge.

You cannot alter the emissions system on your car.

 

I have been doing google and other searches with no luck, I'm not planning on modifying my system, but I'm curious. Most laws have a loophole, especially ones where "everyone knows" or it is common knowledge. That is because no one looks them up. You would think they would do something about all the companies that create aftermarket systems then. Maybe there is a certification statement or something....

It seems that a law banning any change would be illegal, what if I wanted to put on a brand X super cat and muffler that produces oxygen and sucks noise like a black hole of sound death...

 

most of the aftermarket perf. goodies are labeled "off-road use only" that's how the manufacturers get around the law and or adhear to it.

 

Here is a fact sheet from the EPA explaining the cat regulations. Note this has been amended by later regulation changes to be stricter, but even this document says relocating the cats is illegal tampering.

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/cert/factshts/catcvrts.pdf

Here's a sheet from SEMA offering guidelines for manufacturers of "off-road only" emissions components.

http://content.sema.org/images/pdf/32405.pdf

 

*yawn*

 

Did you mean: or or ?

 

Actually, you are in error regarding the infamous McDonald's coffee lawsuit. First, it was a woman, not a man. Second, the appeals court reversed the judgment, finding that, indeed, one should expect hot coffee to be "hot", and that a reasonable and prudent person would take precautions, such as not driving with an open container of the stuff (as this woman had done).

 

You are also wrong about the Mcdonalds case, below are the details:

http://www.atlanet.org/ConsumerMedia...offeecase.aspx

"The trial court subsequently reduced the punitive award to $480,000—or three times compensatory damages—even though the judge called McDonald's conduct reckless, callous and willful. Subsequent to remittitur, the parties entered a post-verdict settlement."

I think nearly all civil cases should have been dismissed. Including the Ford Roll Over deal, Valuejet crash, etc...

They usually lead to some kind of regulation, which means that a lot of people will have to pay more for something because of someone's stupidity.

 

You are correct. Relocating the cats is illegal. I'm not preaching here, just trying to be technically correct.

Shopdog, I actually agree with you on the lawsuit thing. But, just to play devil's advocate, as I brought up in another thread about a guy who removed his cats: who's to say he drove it on the street? That has to be proven. He drives it up and down his driveway.


smdio, since they are agreeing to work with you, I would not be throwing around the "L" word (lawsuit). I would be happy they are agreeing to "make it right" . My employer gets into "situations" with people / landowners / developers building near our pipeline on a frequent basis. If it looks like they are going to be easy to deal with, we pay a little money, and everyone is happy. If it appears as if they are going to be a pain in the *** and are looking to get rich, it's actually faster and cheaper to file an injunction against them and go to court. They could take the hard line with you. If you throw around the "L" word too much, they will get the impression that by fixing your car, you would take that as an admission of guilt and still sue them after they fix your car. A word to the wise: work with them, fix your car, and move on. Their liability is not as cut and dried as you think. As a good friend of mine once said, "knowledge is expensive".

 

Hey SMDIO,

I'm reading all the posts and I can not resolve one problem. The cats are in the same general area that long tube headers would be in (I am too lazy to take my car out and drive it up the rhinos to look at 12:30 AM). Therefore, the heat from the cats should be similar to the heat of the stainless headers. Am I crazy or have I been up too long.

Is it also possible that without the cats installed and O2's working incorrectly, that the headers caused a really lean condition, turned cherry red and roasted everything ????.

However, the ECM should have seen something up with the O2's and run really rich by default (at least that is the way Ford works this is my first corvette and I am not really up to speed yet). and I am assuming that the MIL eliminators were not installed.

Hey guys, put your thinking caps on ....... I have put long tubes on 4.6 Cobras with absoutely No clearance for anything and did not roast anything. Hopefully, we will all look to help and be a little slower to flame someone.

I keep thinking that this is a forum to exchange ideas and help other car guys. None of us know it all, therefore, we reach out to others for help. Just my opinion, good luck SMDIO.

 

i agree with you. Dynatech is atm doing everything they could to make the situation right. they are being very helpful and straight forward with me. they have not admitted guilt in any way, but they are willing to fix my car at no expense to me. i dont really think i can ask for anything more than that. as far as lawsuits go, im not the type of person to take someone to court anyway, and even if i was, in this situation, i doubt i would be on the winning side

all i want is for my car to be fixed, and run how it was when i bought it. everything Dynatech has done so far has been absolutely flawless. i have nothing but good things to say about them up to this point, but i'll wait and see how they fix my car before i give the final word

ill keep everyone updated..

 

That sounds like a happy ending in the works. Good news

 

Speed parts used to come in a box stuffed with crumpled newspaper.
That was it. No instructions, no warnings, no "CAUTIONs". Zip.
You were supposed to know how to install it. And if you didn't, you learned the hard way. That's called taking responsibility through the higher education system called The School of Hard Knocks.

You never would have made the cut where I grew up.
I'm getting sick of the younger generation never ever taking responsibilty.
It's always not your fault.

You f****d up doing the install and that's that!


Pffffffftttttttt. And YOU'RE annoyed???? KMA


This tells me a lot right here.
What CAN you do for yourself besides whine?

I'm sad about the damage. Really. I hope the repairs go well.
What the post should have said:
"......Installed headers....didn't see the hydraulic line rubbing....caught fire....we screwed up....learn from my mistake..."

 

I could be mistaken but................ There MAY be a personal attack hidden somewhere in this informative post above!

 

Nah. Just trying to give him a spine, that's all.

 

 

Jellyfish don't have spines - and you can't transplant one!