Ernie:

Thanks for commenting. I can breath again!

 

Exactly - odds are he'd be running 12.6s all day long.

 

You must do a repeatability test or it's invalid. Picking up that many with that little hp gain with all the variables at a track, got to do it again.

 

Bowtieblood,

I have an automatic. I launch at 1,000rpm. My 60 foot times are all around 1.98 or less on ALL my runs. All the 13.0's and all my 12.55's.

After the launch I just keep my foot to the floor. It doesn’t take ANY driver experience to do that.

Do you care to comment?

 

I think you will be surprised when you try it again with the stock intake.

 

I have plenty of runs with the stock intake.

I ran the stock intake on a Friday night, installed the Vortex over the weekend and ran that next Wednesday (5 days later).

Are you saying that in 5 days my car picked up another 3 tenths and 3mph just from the engine breaking in? LOL

I don't think so. You all will come up with any excuse to disprove this product.

I know it works and my times show it. I am happy with that.

Take care and enjoy your C6!

 

I don't need to comment. Intake will never equal .5 in a the 1/4. I'm not saying the product is bad, I'm not saying it didn't help you, but .5? Typically the intake on a modern vette isn't that bad to begin with as well, which is another factor limiting a giant jump. My friend's G/T ran 15.9s all day one day at the track with a best that day of 15.6. Horrible times. ONE week later, at the same track, same temperature, same 60' times etc, he ran a 14.2 with zero additional modification. Maybe he washed the hell out of it, I dunno, but I'd put money on the fact that conditons probably weren't the same even though the termperature was.

Once again, not saying it's a bad product not worth buying, but perhaps you should do an honest side-by-side comparison on the same day only a few minutes apart? Don't go easy when the stock one's on

 

one needs to do an average, tose out high and low with and without Vortex. Do it right and we all go away.

 

In that case what do you say to a customer we met at BG over the weekend. He has a 2004 C5 that he ran 13.25 Friday Night at Beach Bend and had us to the Vortex System install Sat morning. Sat at 1:00 pm they opened the Corvette races. I got there at 1:30 to have him come up to me to thank us for the system. He said he would of been happy with 1 tenth but we got him 3. His times were 12.98 12.95 12.91

As I said to him and to everyone in the forum we prove our products at the track and openly invite all to come for the challenge. We stood there and told him he would go faster and he did. If we were not 100% sure of our products would we take a chance at a track in front of everyone of the car not going quicker? Where were the forum members that said the Vortex Ram induction systems do not work?

I guess you can say we put the money where the mouth is. We will be at Z06 Fest and Labor day doing it again. Bring your car run your time install the Vortex and do it again. Show me another company that proves there products at the track and stands behind them 100%. James was not a supporter of the Vortex system untill he took it upon himself for the forum to buy a system install it himself and test it himself. You cannot tell me that in the 5 days lapse at the track his car broke in and is going 3 tenths quicker. It is going quicker with the Vortex and thats it, very simple.

Ernie
www.BreathlessPerformance.com

 

I was not aware that you ran the car 5 days before installing the Vortex. I know that you ran it with the stock intake on 11/24/04 and managed a 12.7 @ 111 which is right where you were at after the Vortex install in March. I know you regard that 12.7 @ 111 with the stock intake as an "anomaly" but somehow the car managed the same times on the stock intake at least once, which brings up the question of how you were able to do 12.7 @ 111 with the stock intake and then you did 6 runs after the Vortex install on March 16 and they were all in the 12.7 @ 111 range.

With some of these numbers going back and forth, and your car appearing as if it is getting quicker over time, I just think it would be solid proof if you hooked the stock intake back up, did 4 runs with that, and then put the Vortex back on and did 4 runs with that on the same day... with your current mileage. I know you saw an improvement with the Vortex, but with the numbers bouncing a bit and some unexplained times here and there, I'm unsure as to exactly how much you can claim.

Look at this another way. Prior to March 16 you were running 13.0 with a 12.7 anomaly on the stock intake. On March 16 you did 6 runs with the Vortex installed and were getting 12.7 times. Since March 16, you've picked up another 2 tenths without doing anything. Where did that come from? What happened between March 16 and April 16 that gave you another 2 tenths?

You say you went from a 13.0 to 12.55 with the Vortex intake but I don't think you can claim that. I could see claiming that you went from 13.0 to 12.7, but certainly not 12.55. Somewhere between March 16 and April 16 you picked up a mystery .2 and I don't think it was from the PCM learning!

Mike

 

Magic pixxy tire dust! (Comes standard with Vortex Rammer - into motor, out tail pipe, onto tires, good for 0.2 and 3 mph in the 1/4).

 

Thanks FL6. That's good info and good numbers. Are you going to do LS2 edit ?

 

Mike,

Maybe the Vortex fools the ECU (Torque management) into not dialing back the timing....


I am most definitely going to take advantage of LS2Edit, but only when they crack the Auto Tranny software.

 

Let ME drive...............I need the $$$$!

 

Here we go again. Everyone is more than willing to BASH a product that seems to work. How many ways can we figure out why it can't? All I can say is that I spent the weekend watching the BPP guys installing one system after another for three days. Also a lot of programming goin on. Something must be going on or a lot of people are just throwing money away. My experience says Corvette people aren't quite that dumb

 

Well, the fact is, these systems definitely did work on C5. I saw enough before and after dyno runs and 1/4 mile times. We were led to believe that C6 would not need them. It looks like the C6 will benefit as well.


Well that'll be good. You'll get plenty of runs with the Vortex only and then when you add tuning, we can see the gains.

 

Like I said before, I'm not here to say your product does not help. I even openly said twice in the last post that I'm NOT saying it doesn't help. What I was contradicting is 13.0 - 12.55.... that's more than .3. The difference in .3 and .5 is a decent amount when you're talking about a 12.XX run. I KNOW people in C5s who have gotten .25 out of your system, which is why I didn't disagree with your post to begin with. I BELIEVE in a .2 gain, but I can understand .3 occasionally too. 13.0 to 12.55 is NOT practical and you have to admit that. That's ALL I was commenting on. Hell my family owns one of your systems (a gain of .15 which is more than we hoped for), just not on a C6. Read what I said instead of thinking I'm just here to bash your company.

This is my last post, once again, NOT trying to start a flame war, was only commenting on what I believed, I should have left it at the first comment...I believe that he went from around 12.7 to 12.55 vs. the 13.0 mark. I think his car was more capable than he thought BEFORE the intake and/or weather conditions. I suggest a same day test with multiple runs to collect REAL evidence by HIM. Hell, it's like a 3 second install/uninstall. I don't KNOW that his car won't gain .5, but it's logical to have him do a real comparison to prove that it can.

I love all of your damn corvettes, I'm a corvette junkie as well as many of you, so no one needs to be taking any kind of offence in here.

[edit] just read one of his other posts....said he ran 12.7 6 times all stock and at 111mph....ran those times all night, I think I just figured out where the other .3 came from [edit]