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Old Jun 2, 2005 | 08:10 PM
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I had a interesting conversation with Jake, from Corvette Concepts in Fla. I had initially called him to see what kind of mods. I could get for my car to reach low 12's without voiding my factory warranty. During our discussion jake(the owner of 2 C6's and several C5's) stated that would be hard to do since the C6 is a "Glorious Slug". It was his opinion that the C6 is a fast car, but should be much faster with its 400 hp. I asked him what car did he feel was faster a bone stock 350hp C5 or a bone stock 400hp C6. His reply was "They will run neck and neck", "I dont know where the extra 50 hp with the C6 went". I told him that I thought it would be rather easy to get into the low 12's since the Z-51 does 0-60 in 4.1 and the 1/4 mile in 12.6 according to some car magazines. His response was that GM probably tested hundreds of cars, and submitted those with the fastest times for testing in the magazines(not a true indicator of the average C6 performance). Additionally, He stated that mid to high 13's are what the average C6 will run in the 1/4( he does live in Fla so maybe the hot temp causes this). Interestingly i timed my 0-60(without power braking) and could only get a best of 4.99 with several 5.02's and 5.03's 0-60 times. This was done using the on-board timer in the C6. That is way off from the claim of 4.1 secs. I have said before that the c6 was fast, but didnt feel as fast as it should be. I wonder how accurate Jakes comments are. Food for thought.

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I had a interesting conversation with Jake, from Corvette Concepts in Fla. I had initially called him to see what kind of mods. I could get for my car to reach low 12's without voiding my factory warranty. During our discussion jake(the owner of 2 C6's and several C5's) stated that would be hard to do since the C6 is a "Glorious Slug". It was his opinion that the C6 is a fast car, but should be much faster with its 400 hp. I asked him what car did he feel was faster a bone stock 350hp C5 or a bone stock 400hp C6. His reply was "They will be neck and neck", "I dont know where the extra 50 hp with the C6 went". I told him that I thought it would be rather easy to get into the low 12's since the Z-51 does 0-60 in 4.1 and the 1/4 mile in 12.6 according to some car magazines. His response was that GM probably tested hundreds of cars, and submitted those with the fastest times for testing in the magazines(not a true indicator of the average C6 performance). Additionally, He stated that mid to high 13's are what the average C6 will run in the 1/4( he does live in Fla so maybe the hot temp causes this). Interestingly i timed my 0-60(without power braking) and could only get a best of 4.99 with several 5.02's and 5.03's 0-60 times. This was done using the on-board timer in the C6. That is way off from the claim of 4.1 secs. I have said before that the c6 was fast, but didnt feel as fast as it should be. I wonder how accurate Jakes comments are. Food for thought.
A stop watch or equivalent won't be very accurate. You need an accelerometer like the Gtech.

With regards to the 1/4 mile times, seems the torque management has a lot to do with it. Guys that have eliminated it ($250 plug-in) have seen traps as high as 116 or 117. That's more like it.

Although I own a C5 and my C6 is being built next week, from what I've seen as far as time slips and videos, the only C6's my slightly modded C5 could beat are automatics with tall gears. Even then, the C6 might have a little edge.
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Old Jun 2, 2005 | 08:44 PM
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"...but should be much faster with its 400 hp..."



and i suppose this super talented mechanical engineer was planning on telling you exactly what he would have done differently to get better performance, both reliably and safely out of those 400 ponies? but he just didnt get around to it? because his R&D budget dwarfs GMs? because his employees/(engineers?) all hail from MIT, Stanford, and UVA?

and attempting to replicate GMs 0-60 claim by yourself? in the exact conditions that GM did its testing? with the proper equipment? and most manufacturers are completely innocent when it comes to shaving a few tenths of a second from thier performance claims? sure you're right

no offense to your personally, but this thread is nothing more than an attempt at trolling C6 owners. take this crap somewhere else please

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Old Jun 2, 2005 | 08:49 PM
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Interestingly i timed my 0-60(without power braking) and could only get a best of 4.99 with several 5.02's and 5.03's 0-60 times. This was done using the on-board timer in the C6.
What onboard timer?
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Old Jun 2, 2005 | 08:58 PM
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Motor Trend tested a Z51 MN6, 0-60 4.3 sec.
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Old Jun 2, 2005 | 09:17 PM
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His response was that GM probably tested hundreds of cars, and submitted those with the fastest times for testing in the magazines(not a true indicator of the average C6 performance).
So then, naturally, GM does this with all their cars which means the C6 is still quicker than the C5.

Some members must have run the 1/4. Let's hear from them!
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Old Jun 2, 2005 | 09:41 PM
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There are stock C6 6spds here running 12.5 on stock tires and no traction. Bogus info dude! Sticky tires and your in the low 12's.

Mark

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Old Jun 2, 2005 | 09:53 PM
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I sure hope its bogus info. I really like my C6 , but my buddies c5 feels faster( i know that doesnt mean squat) The on-board timer is found by repeatedly pressing the trip button until you get to "elapsed timer." Press and hold reset to clear the timer(after you are done using it). My thread was not an attempt to "troll" any Corvette Mayonayze. What purpose would that serve? What can a c6 Z-51 auto do 0-60 and 1/4 mile stock/ Does anyone know?

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I sure hope its bogus info. I really like my C6 , but my buddies c5 feels faster( i know that doesnt mean squat) The on-board timer is found by repeatedly pressing the trip button until you get to "elapsed timer." Press and hold reset to clear the timer(after you are done using it). My tread was not an attempt to "troll" any Corvette Mayonayze. What purpose would that serve? What can a c6 Z-51 auto do 0-60 and 1/4 mile stock/ Does anyone know?
give the guys at callaway a call about modding your C6. Ask for Mike and he will tell you everything you ever wanted to know about this car. most bolt-on breathing mods shouldnt void your warranty, and the onus will be on GM to prove that your bolt on played any role in a malfunction that you believe should be covered by the factory warranty. magnusson moss, i believe is what you would want to reference. anything dealing with internals (cams, heads, ect...) will not be covered by GM warranty. also be careful of any ECU mapping that changes GM spec software tuning. and of course, the easiest way to make sure your mods wont F your warranty, is to get in good with your service guy(s).

good luck man!
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I still have a my c5 01 with some mods air intake cat back mass airflow power programer and it is fast but I do not think it is as fast as my c6 was stock! now my c6 has around 530 to 550 hp lpe mods and headers high flow cats, have been to track I have run 12.34 with my car z51 auto and roast my tires beforeI added headers and high flow cats should be able to run 1/4 in high 11, stock c5 at track runs 13s in 1/4 and with so mods high 12, still have both c5 only has 6500 miles and is still like new but dose not come close to c6 mith mods or stock.love driving both cars but c6 ihas so many refinments over c5,
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Some friends of mine and I met him in BG a few years ago. We are all very hard core and knowledgeable car nuts. We all agreed that he is, without a doubt, the biggest jack-off we have ever met. He told us he can feel 4 (yes, four) crank horsepower (yes, crank).

There was a thread going a last week, that I participated heavily in where I told eveyone the C6 is faster than it feels. Then three guys posted that they ran side by side with stock C5 Z06's and either stayed with them, or outran them. And I ran a 12.499 at 115 in my bone stock C6 coupe (just traded) with 900 miles on it.

Jake is a moron.
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Old Jun 2, 2005 | 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Thanos
I had a interesting conversation with Jake, from Corvette Concepts in Fla. I had initially called him to see what kind of mods. I could get for my car to reach low 12's without voiding my factory warranty. During our discussion jake(the owner of 2 C6's and several C5's) stated that would be hard to do since the C6 is a "Glorious Slug". It was his opinion that the C6 is a fast car, but should be much faster with its 400 hp. I asked him what car did he feel was faster a bone stock 350hp C5 or a bone stock 400hp C6. His reply was "They will be neck and neck", "I dont know where the extra 50 hp with the C6 went". I told him that I thought it would be rather easy to get into the low 12's since the Z-51 does 0-60 in 4.1 and the 1/4 mile in 12.6 according to some car magazines. His response was that GM probably tested hundreds of cars, and submitted those with the fastest times for testing in the magazines(not a true indicator of the average C6 performance). Additionally, He stated that mid to high 13's are what the average C6 will run in the 1/4( he does live in Fla so maybe the hot temp causes this). Interestingly i timed my 0-60(without power braking) and could only get a best of 4.99 with several 5.02's and 5.03's 0-60 times. This was done using the on-board timer in the C6. That is way off from the claim of 4.1 secs. I have said before that the c6 was fast, but didnt feel as fast as it should be. I wonder how accurate Jakes comments are. Food for thought.
Jake needs to put down the crack pipe.

There have been many posts between the two cars. The C-6 is significantly faster, it has 400 hp vs. 350........duh.

Perhaps it was your driving skills.
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Old Jun 2, 2005 | 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by jschindler
Some friends of mine and I met him in BG a few years ago. We are all very hard core and knowledgeable car nuts. We all agreed that he is, without a doubt, the biggest jack-off we have ever met. He told us he can feel 4 (yes, four) crank horsepower (yes, crank).

There was a thread going a last week, that I participated heavily in where I told eveyone the C6 is faster than it feels. Then three guys posted that they ran side by side with stock C5 Z06's and either stayed with them, or outran them. And I ran a 12.499 at 115 in my bone stock C6 coupe (just traded) with 900 miles on it.

Jake is a moron.
Jim, WTF.......you traded your car? Very surprised. So tell us.....what did you get or getting?

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Originally Posted by cmb13
What onboard timer?
Press the TRIP button until ELAPSED TIMER is displayed. It can be used as a stopwatch. Page 3-52 of the manual...
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Old Jun 2, 2005 | 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Fredo
Jake needs to put down the crack pipe.

There have been many posts between the two cars. The C-6 is significantly faster, it has 400 hp vs. 350........duh.

Perhaps it was your driving skills.
I have a Z-51 auto... Doesnt take much driving skill to just mash the pedal and go. My time is still almost 1 full second from what GM claims.
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Originally Posted by Fredo
Jim, WTF.......you traded your car? Very surprised. So tell us.....what did you get or getting?

Fredo

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1103588



You'll have to scroll through the thread and look for a couple of my posts to get the whole story. Thanks for asking.
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Originally Posted by jschindler
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1103588



You'll have to scroll through the thread and look for a couple of my posts to get the whole story. Thanks for asking.
I was out of town and missed the post.

Very nice......Enjoy
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Well, I just say 0-200 km/h in 14.3 sec. Thats faster than a stock Prosche 996 Biturbo.
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Originally Posted by jschindler

Jake is a moron.
Not sure I understand. Could you be a little more clear on your thoughts
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Originally Posted by Thanos
I have a Z-51 auto... Doesnt take much driving skill to just mash the pedal and go. My time is still almost 1 full second from what GM claims.
Well, if you believe that, then your driving skills definitely need work. There's a lot more to cutting a good time than just "mash the pedal and go", even (or maybe especially) with an automatic.
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