Interesting conversation with a C6 owner
Burning Brakes
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From: Grosse Pointe Shores Michigan
Originally Posted by Thanos
I had a interesting conversation with Jake, from Corvette Concepts in Fla. I had initially called him to see what kind of mods. I could get for my car to reach low 12's without voiding my factory warranty. During our discussion jake(the owner of 2 C6's and several C5's) stated that would be hard to do since the C6 is a "Glorious Slug". It was his opinion that the C6 is a fast car, but should be much faster with its 400 hp. I asked him what car did he feel was faster a bone stock 350hp C5 or a bone stock 400hp C6. His reply was "They will be neck and neck", "I dont know where the extra 50 hp with the C6 went". I told him that I thought it would be rather easy to get into the low 12's since the Z-51 does 0-60 in 4.1 and the 1/4 mile in 12.6 according to some car magazines. His response was that GM probably tested hundreds of cars, and submitted those with the fastest times for testing in the magazines(not a true indicator of the average C6 performance). Additionally, He stated that mid to high 13's are what the average C6 will run in the 1/4( he does live in Fla so maybe the hot temp causes this). Interestingly i timed my 0-60(without power braking) and could only get a best of 4.99 with several 5.02's and 5.03's 0-60 times. This was done using the on-board timer in the C6. That is way off from the claim of 4.1 secs. I have said before that the c6 was fast, but didnt feel as fast as it should be. I wonder how accurate Jakes comments are. Food for thought.
Great Post.
Drifting
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I will be posting videos soon of my runs with an 04Z06 shortly from a first gear punch all the way to the end of fourth gear. You will be surprised how close they are in straightline performance. One of the races ends with my front bumper is right at the Z06 driver's window. Another, he is up 3/4 a car through 4 gears. If the C6 is a dog, then so is the Z... They are that close! To be fair, the Z had a passenger camera man), but he also had a catback and was putting down 365 to the wheels...
Does that sound like a car that is mid 13 sec to you?
Does that sound like a car that is mid 13 sec to you?
Last edited by xstang; Jun 3, 2005 at 08:22 AM.
Melting Slicks
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From: Orwigsburg Pa.
Some of the best times posted here have been 12.5 for mn6 and 12.7 for a4---not really dogs for bone stock. Perhaps the z06 is a tick quicker in stock form. A lot of what we saw posted early was some mn6 times of 13.0 which led to the c6 is a pig theme. Without intentionally trying to offend anybody---could it be that some guys can drive stick better then others?????? If I can run close to any Z06 with an a4 and 3.15 then I'm not complaining. Also willing to bet that better driver wins between the mn6 z06 vs the c6 most often.
Team Owner
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From: Houston, TX
Originally Posted by SHOOTER 49
... Without intentionally trying to offend anybody---could it be that some guys can drive stick better then others?????? .....
Burning Brakes
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From: Alexandria VA
Originally Posted by 81vette
There are stock C6 6spds here running 12.5 on stock tires and no traction. Bogus info dude! Sticky tires and your in the low 12's.
He obvious doesn't know what he's talking about. I run 12.56-12.60 with Bone stock automatic with z51 .
1/4 mile time slips #19 and #111:
http://www.3cinc.net/images/C6TimeSlip.gif
At the line getting ready for a 12.56 pass:
http://www.3cinc.net/images/c6Burn1.jpg
http://www.3cinc.net/images/c6Burn2.jpg
http://www.3cinc.net/images/c6Burn3.jpg
http://www.3cinc.net/images/c6launch.jpg
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☠☣☢ Semper Ebrius ☢☣☠
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St. Jude's Donor '06
Originally Posted by Thanos
I have a Z-51 auto... Doesnt take much driving skill to just mash the pedal and go. My time is still almost 1 full second from what GM claims.
Also, GM's numbers are at SAE standard conditions: 77 degrees, 0% humidity, and 29.235 inches of mercury. And on top of that, the onboard speedometer lags behind your actual speed when accelerating hard.
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Originally Posted by orangec6
He obvious doesn't know what he's talking about. I run 12.56-12.60 with Bone stock automatic with z51 .
1/4 mile time slips #19 and #111:
http://www.3cinc.net/images/C6TimeSlip.gif
At the line getting ready for a 12.56 pass:
http://www.3cinc.net/images/c6Burn1.jpg
http://www.3cinc.net/images/c6Burn2.jpg
http://www.3cinc.net/images/c6Burn3.jpg
http://www.3cinc.net/images/c6launch.jpg
Burning Brakes
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From: Alexandria VA
Originally Posted by Thanos
Great to hear that a bone stock auto can run that fast. According to the above above info, then my Z-51 auto with corsa sport should do a slightly better time. What is the correct way to launch the auto? I have heard place it in 3rd instead of overdrive. Is that correct? Do i power brake?
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Originally Posted by orangec6
Get tires real hot(see avatar), traction off and leave hard at idle in drive.
Melting Slicks
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From: Orwigsburg Pa.
Have the a4-3.15 but not z51--launch just like Orange c6 says---bites and goes and goes fast. If I was racing an mn6 the guy better hook up and drive to perfection or he is toast. The nice part of the a4 with the lower gear is the hooking up and not wasting time spinning expensive rubber. Now if the road surface is cold --as in winter cold---it is a whole nother story.
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Originally Posted by Thanos
Great to hear that a bone stock auto can run that fast. According to the above above info, then my Z-51 auto with corsa sport should do a slightly better time. What is the correct way to launch the auto? I have heard place it in 3rd instead of overdrive. Is that correct? Do i power brake?
First off, placing it in 3rd makes absolutely no difference on 0-60 times (or even 1/4 mile times for that matter). The only thing third does is prevent a shift to fourth. That's it.
Secondly, one should brake hard and get the revs up as much as you can without making the engine run like crap.
Thirdly, you need extremely accurate equipment which measures the time between when you launch and when you actually hit 60, not when your speedo says you've hit 60.
Lastly, no traction control.
Burning Brakes
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From: Alexandria VA
Originally Posted by Thanos
So, no power-braking at all?(except to get tires hot &sticky) Leave in drive(3) correct? Not Over-drive?
though the traps(finish line) I may leave it in third. Power braking only made my car go slower. I think the car is smart enough to retard the timing when you power brake.
Last edited by winstonc; Jun 3, 2005 at 03:04 PM.