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Old Jun 29, 2005 | 07:08 PM
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Are headers legal in California ?
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Old Jun 29, 2005 | 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by slowtrak
Are headers legal in California ?
Short headers that don't require relocating the cats should be Ok, provided they have a CARB approval number. If you don't have the CARB documentation, you will fail the visual inspection. There's no way to get CARB approval of a long tube header, because that requires relocating the cats, and that's against federal law.
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If you don't have the CARB documentation, you will fail the visual inspection.
In the 30 years I've been having my cars smogged in Ca, many w/ LT headers and cold air intakes, I've never had a technician check for CARB numbers, check for "relocated" cat's, (not that they would know where the OE location is anyway), or even look under the car. The one time I had to change something was a valve cover breather. They look for obvious things under the hood, like the breather, and missing/ clamped off hoses, etc. Then they stick the sniffers in, and if it passes, that's it.

There's no way to get CARB approval of a long tube header, because that requires relocating the cats, and that's against federal law.
I've never seen the F.B.I. conducting catalytic converter check points.
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Originally Posted by TommyV
I've never seen the F.B.I. conducting catalytic converter check points.
That's because it falls under the EPA's jurisdiction, not the FBI's.
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Old Jun 30, 2005 | 02:23 AM
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Your right, my bad, although I've never seen an EPA one either.
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Old Jun 30, 2005 | 11:04 AM
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Your right, my bad, although I've never seen an EPA one either.
Gotta check the CA statue about this stuff. Good points.
What I will do for you guys though is stomp the heck out of it when I drive by the huge EPA site in RTP at lunch today. That ought to give them some emissions, since they always seem to be looking for some.
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Originally Posted by slowtrak
Are headers legal in California ?

None of the headers (designs) I have seen so far on C6's are California Legal.

That said, the closest anyone has come (and I heard the engineers from Callaway tell someone this over the weekend @ Bloomington Gold) is this product, soon to be under review by C.A.R.B. for an E.O.
Callaway Headers for the C6

Currently 49 state legal, they keep the cats in the factory location - They said one of their goals is to obtain an E.O. for the parts under the CARB Compliance exemptions this year (?).

I hope this helps
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Thanks 89x2, those should match up nicely with my high flow cats.

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I wonder how much HP those shorties would be good for ? I'll bet it's not much.
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I wonder how much HP those shorties would be good for ? I'll bet it's not much.
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I wonder how much HP those shorties would be good for ? I'll bet it's not much.
Callaway is claiming about 8 bhp. That's about $173.00 per bhp. No thanks.
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Guys, that is the reality of the designs that are in compliance w/ the EPA's guidelines.

Technically, ANY of the headers that relocate the cats are in violation of the EPA's guidelines - while most enthusiast "look the other way" ar wink, nod, and slide the car past the inspection process, the original question asked about CA Legal headers for the C6 which right now, I do not know of any - and only one set (the Callaway headers) that are going for CARB exeptions (E.O. number) that I have heard about...

Of course there is more power to be had by relocating the cats and canging the design of the headers to a full length, or longer design - but the EPA would frown upon that heavily in many places

There are also some performance gains from removing the cats and changing the pipe diameters and how the collectors come together but with the cats where they are, you have to live w/ some limitations...

Where I am (Mid-Atlantic), we have dyno-roller emissions testing and frankly, as long as a cat is in place, I have yet to be asked about headers or anything else however, I hear that California is a whole different world when it comes to emissions testing (???)

I hope this helps
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