Track tire/tire pressure sensor issue
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Originally Posted by TTRotary
C5 Zs did in fact come with the TPMS.
Originally Posted by C6400HP
Yeah but, this is the C6 forum.
Originally Posted by quick04Z06
Of course, C5 Zs did not come with the TPMS.
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Melting Slicks
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Originally Posted by TTRotary
FYI, the 2002-2004 C5 Z06s have TPMS. The system just needs to be enabled (say, if you wanted to run a set of EMT's for long road trips).
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So if I buy the GM tool and a set of 01-04 Z06 wheels and a set of C6 sensors will the sensors fit the wheels? Also it soulds as if we still do not know for sure if there is any other way to program besides the GM tool. From what some have posted maybe we could run track tires without sensors but pull in after a run session and let it read the street tires stacked up on the ground in the pits. If it takes 70-100 miles to have an effect I will be ok. We only run 20 minute run sessions and the car could read the street tires and think it had plenty of air every time I pull into the pits. I wish I had some for sure answers. I'm doing a track event next month at Motorsport Ranch in Cresson and I need to buy wheels....I don't even know for sure what wheels to buy. I really was hopeing I could just get Z06 wheels for a few hundred dollars. I don't car what the look like.
Jerry
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Melting Slicks
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Any updates on this matter? After selling my 04 Z, I ordered a C6 Z51. Because of this mess, I cancelled my C6 Z51 order, as this is a battle I do not want to fight, and bought a low-mileage 03 Z06. What's the latest?
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Originally Posted by quick04Z06
Any updates on this matter? After selling my 04 Z, I ordered a C6 Z51. Because of this mess, I cancelled my C6 Z51 order, as this is a battle I do not want to fight, and bought a low-mileage 03 Z06. What's the latest?
Unfortunately, every car in the US will have it next year.Just buy this tool for $200 shipped and your problem is gone. http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...p?p=1551656769
This tool is technically a Suzuki tool, or at least mine has a Suzuki label and part number on the back, but it worked on the C6 (I tested it myself). Suzuki part number 09945-86510, it's a Bartec DXR+. Kudos to jmess for locating it!
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The answer is no. As long as you mount the new wheel with the banded old/original sensor in the same position as it was orginally then everything will be fine. By position I mean front left wheel, rear left wheels, and etc..
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Originally Posted by jmess
The answer is no. As long as you mount the new wheel with the banded old/original sensor in the same position as it was orginally then everything will be fine. By position I mean front left wheel, rear left wheels, and etc..
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Melting Slicks
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Originally Posted by VNAMVET
Thanks............I assumed that this was so and that the "new" learning process was for newly purchased sensors going on another set of wheels...........thanks again............
Ah, but if you have 2 sets of wheels, you will always be having a "new" sensor when you change wheels at the track and as I understand it, your car will then need 15 or 20 miles to "learn" the new sensors. If you track your car, that means your first session is done. If you are just going to an aftermarket wheel and changing them once and leaving them alone, I suppose this is a surmountable problem you will only have to address once.
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[QUOTE=Flareside]You cancelled a new C6 to avoid this battle? Unfortunately, every car in the US will have it next year.
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Well, the stock C5 Z is still a better track car than the stock C6 Z51 by about 2 seconds per lap on a 2 minute track, and this was just icing on the cake. If the new C6 Z has this feature, and if this is the new law then I suppose it will, what a shame. The Z is built to race and racers go through many sets of wheels--what a hassle.
I hate our government.
Unfortunately, every car in the US will have it next year.[QUOTE]
Well, the stock C5 Z is still a better track car than the stock C6 Z51 by about 2 seconds per lap on a 2 minute track, and this was just icing on the cake. If the new C6 Z has this feature, and if this is the new law then I suppose it will, what a shame. The Z is built to race and racers go through many sets of wheels--what a hassle.
I hate our government.
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[QUOTE=quick04Z06][QUOTE=Flareside]You cancelled a new C6 to avoid this battle? Unfortunately, every car in the US will have it next year.
Well, the stock C5 Z is still a better track car than the stock C6 Z51 by about 2 seconds per lap on a 2 minute track, and this was just icing on the cake. If the new C6 Z has this feature, and if this is the new law then I suppose it will, what a shame. The Z is built to race and racers go through many sets of wheels--what a hassle.
I hate our government.
I reprogrammed my sensors yesterday, and drove the car today with no power/AH/TC no issues at all. The sensors don't activate until you drive, but it was that way with the C5 too. Doesn't seem like this is an issue now that a relatively affordable tool is available.
The new Z has it as well...
Unfortunately, every car in the US will have it next year.Well, the stock C5 Z is still a better track car than the stock C6 Z51 by about 2 seconds per lap on a 2 minute track, and this was just icing on the cake. If the new C6 Z has this feature, and if this is the new law then I suppose it will, what a shame. The Z is built to race and racers go through many sets of wheels--what a hassle.
I hate our government.
The new Z has it as well...
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Originally Posted by quick04Z06
Really? My 2004 Z does not have TPMS. It has a little case with a can of fix-a-flat because 01-04 Zs did not come with run flat tires but with Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar tires. Run-flats were not as high-perf as the Supercar tires, so I beg to differ. Regular Vettes of this era came with run-craps and the magnetic sensors.
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Melting Slicks
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Originally Posted by TTRotary
Incorrect. ALL C5 Z06's have the TPMS system installed...it is just not activated. If you want the runflat option for long trips, just throw on the second wheel set with runcraps and sensors, go to your dealer, and have them activate the Z06's TPMS.The only caveats are (1) the sensors must be the new (2001+) style and (2) you will now get a TP warning message on the DIC when you put the Z06 wheels back on, which you eliminate by hitting the reset button.
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Melting Slicks
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Originally Posted by Flareside
I reprogrammed my sensors yesterday, and drove the car today with no power/AH/TC no issues at all. The sensors don't activate until you drive, but it was that way with the C5 too. Doesn't seem like this is an issue now that a relatively affordable tool is available.
The new Z has it as well...
The new Z has it as well...
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Originally Posted by quick04Z06
When was your car built? The thorny issues did not arise until cars built about Feb, 05. Prior to that, the C6 TPMS worked pretty much like the C5. AFTER that, things changed....and now the car must re-learn the new sensors, etc., and life has gotten much more complicated. I talked to Chuck Mallett about this at length and he concurred that the newer run cars had significant differences.
My car was built on May 16th, 2005. Remember, Chuck was also the one who got you into this mess, by telling you that the DIC could retrain the system. Obviously, that's not true.
If you want to run track tires with functional sensors on a C6, you have to spring for the $200 tool. It's really that easy. With that, training the sensors is a 30 second ordeal. I've done it myself and driven the car afterwards, it works perfectly.
It sounds like you got ticked off about this issue and cancelled your order before you had all the facts. C6 Z51 is an awesome ride, get back in line!
If you can tolerate the hardtop, get the new Z!For those still interested, I also tested the magnet on my car. I have a magnet that worked perfectly on my C5, but there's not way it's working on the C6. Gotta have an RF tool.
Last edited by Flareside; Sep 15, 2005 at 01:11 PM.
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Originally Posted by quick04Z06
I guess we are really debating semantics. However, if you want to spring for the run-flats on wheels machined for the sensors and add the sensors to them, then you can convert your C5 Z to a TPMS run-flat car. Whatever.
You also do not have your facts straight on the C6. I just purchased one, built May 05. I swapped my Z06 wheels on, with no problems and no warnings, other than a reset of the DIC. There was no change in TPMS programming during the year.
Enough time wasted on this
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Originally Posted by TTRotary
TPMS stands for Tire Pressure Monitoring System. That system is located onboard the car. You stated the Z06 did not have it. I corrected you. End of story.
You also do not have your facts straight on the C6. I just purchased one, built May 05. I swapped my Z06 wheels on, with no problems and no warnings, other than a reset of the DIC. There was no change in TPMS programming during the year.
Enough time wasted on this
You also do not have your facts straight on the C6. I just purchased one, built May 05. I swapped my Z06 wheels on, with no problems and no warnings, other than a reset of the DIC. There was no change in TPMS programming during the year.
Enough time wasted on this
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Originally Posted by TTRotary
No such problem on mine Jimman. Just punched the button twice for Competitive Driving and off I went.
The Z06 wheels don't fit properly, but that's another matter.
The Z06 wheels don't fit properly, but that's another matter.
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Originally Posted by Flareside
From what I've seen, I suspect the late C5 sensors will work with the C6, and that you will be able to program using the magnet.
I never thought about that.....will it work and save me the price of the tool?
Alsomaybe I should install the track wheels/rubber and see if I have any problem. I have a April built car so I expect to have problems.
TTRotary,
What issues are you having running the Z06 wheels? I'm going to run Z06 rears all the way around with 305/30/18's. Only at the track though.
J