Did it ever occur to anyone that a 3300 pound car with 350rwhp is actually capable of LOW 12 second quarter mile times. D

 

Has it ever occurred to anyone that a 3250 pound car with 350+rwhp is actually capable of LOW 12 (12.1/12.2) second quarter mile times at over 116+mph?
I'm really curious as to why NO ONE thus far has been able to get to that range of what this car that's been out for over a year now is (on paper) supposed to be capable of.

 

Myself, I'm MORE curious about how someone can claim they have been driving modern high performance ABS equipped cars for any length of time, and claim they never had ABS come in.

I have driven probably four to six vehicles (SUV, truck, Porsche, sedan, RWD, FWD, but not AWD yet) that had ABS.

I'd say that each one of them, including the Porsche, several times, had the ABS engaged due to moderately heavy braking in slick conditions, or need to come to very rapid unplanned stop/speed reduction, while maintaining steering control.

Of course, I am not also not Johny Road Racer, and would not claim that I could brake more quickly without ABS than with it, as you have claimed. I will grant that such (dare I say) superhuman performance is theoretically possible, but I doubt many possess it.

It is fortunate indeed that you do possess that facility, and also happen to espouse the use of a device that eliminates ABS, while it is engaged.

I pray all purchasers are thusly endowed with your cat like reflexes, and also remember to turn the switch back on after 1/4 mile runs.

 

Wow, I can save myself a bunch of money then if that is all it is, by simply unplugging a couple of connectors when I go to the track - since we are talking about using / defeating this for "track use only"

 

I'm sure it can turn those times in the hands of the really top drivers. I'm not really sure what your point is. Like I said in my last post, I have only been to the drag strip about 8 times, starting when I was 48 years old. I've never claimed to be a pro at it.

 

First off I never claimed that I have never had ABS come in, I did however claim that it has only happened on a very few occasions, some of which was intentionally induced (on ice/snow) just so that I could get an idea of what it feels like. How I accomplish this is quite simple though actually, I don't follow people too closely, I am very alert/aware of my surroundings at all times and don't often drive extremely fast on roads where I might have to brake suddenly for any reason. I simply don't 'panic brake'. Being able to 'outbrake' ABS isn't easy and I don't actually know for sure that I have or even can do it, but from what I've read in the past there are race car drivers that have. And as jschindler stated earlier, I'm damn sure not going to apologize or make excuses for my stellar braking abilities.
Once again, if you simply cannot survive without ABS/TCS in your lives for a mere 11 or 12 seconds than you also might need to reconsider your desire to race your car in the first place.

As for my stating that doing without ABS is no big deal to me, I will admit that I am among the very few that feel that way (I still hate the weight, complexity and cost that ABS adds to vehicles) and this may even appear to be an arguement of convenience on my part as the particular modification I happen to be defending does defeat it (ONLY when in use) but I still must ask the question: WTF did all you people do before ABS (and TCS, and AH, and...) existed in the mid-late '80s, you must've all been like nervous, trembling little Chuahahs driving around without the aid of this electronic intrusion LOL.

In case none of you naysayers can tell I am having fun with these semi heated debates, watching some get a little 'worked up' by all of this and I do apologize if I've insulted anyone in the process. In the end we are all just human beings in a crazy world trying to enjoy this awesome sports car.

 

True, and your times are damn good IMO as well, but they are NOT the norm either. You claiming to not be a pro does leave the potential for a far better driver to possibly take your car to the 12.1s/12.2s that I (and I'm sure others) believe that the stock 6 speed C6 should be capable of. Certainly not every stock Z06 has run 11s either of course, we know this.
Give Ranger, Brent or J-Rod a call maybe and see what she can really do.

 

True, and your times are damn good IMO as well, but they are NOT the norm either. You claiming to not be a pro does leave the potential for a far better driver to possibly take your car to the 12.1s/12.2s (11s?) that I (and I'm sure others) believe that the stock 6 speed C6 should be capable of. Certainly not every stock Z06 has run 11s either of course, we know this.
Give Ranger, Brent or J-Rod a call maybe and see what she can really do.

 

<snip awe-inspiring decription of how to be a 'super-braker' for my future study, i.e. must quit my mindless habit of tailgating, according to Superawesomebrakerdude LS1LT1>Horribly sorry. I must have misread you when you had said in an earlier posting:



Well, don't I feel quite the fool! :bb Because, it sounded to me like you were saying "driving performance oriented ...on the street...", and not just goofing around on snow. Likewise, I missread your comments completely, reading them as if you had said: "I would have actually stopped sooner WITHOUT ABS". Clearly, the error is entirely upon my faulty reading.

One can only hope by reading your sage words that current automotive engineers and customers will rethink the foolish decades-long weight-inducing course of applying ABS systems (about a pound and 1/2 of gear?) that they have launched onto.

Persish the thought.

Say, how is that hand-crank working on your Model "T" on those cold mornings, with no weight-inducing thermiotic choke on the single barrel (thank god no weighty computer!) carburetor?


hmmm. there is a word for that type of individual, but it escapes me at this moment.... could it be:

 

Ok so two times, a few occasions, fifty three times, who's really counting anyway? Bottom line, I stop my car ALL THE TIME without getting into ABS, please don't come in here and give me a hard time because you're so freakin' incompetent behind the wheel that you can't do the same.


Funny, always the same damn experts with an agenda that have NEVER actually tried/used this modification always jump into the same damn threads related to it and flood it with negativity, and yet I am the troll? LOL
I've driven C6s at the track both with and WITHOUT a Cartek torque management elimination module activated and the time slip showed the results, that is strictly what I am basing my postings on, that is my ONLY motivation here.

 

Please take the pissin' match to PMs or e-mail.