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Melting Slicks
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Supercharger
All right, I need some assistance.
2006, Z51 MN6. I want a forced air induction that allows the following:
1 Stock hood
2 Quiet
3 Not too hard on the engine
4 Known long life, low or 0 maintenance.
Thos of you who have done this to there c6 or c5, your input, mileage on systems, problems and price would be very very helpful indeed.
I am not out for the most horsepower, just a nice clean, well built system that can deliver extra power without tearing the motor up.
2006, Z51 MN6. I want a forced air induction that allows the following:
1 Stock hood
2 Quiet
3 Not too hard on the engine
4 Known long life, low or 0 maintenance.
Thos of you who have done this to there c6 or c5, your input, mileage on systems, problems and price would be very very helpful indeed.
I am not out for the most horsepower, just a nice clean, well built system that can deliver extra power without tearing the motor up.
Safety Car
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From: SFV CA
ProCharger here too!!! A&A Vortech or ECS Paxton would have been my other choices.
Lockshed: A&A did a fantastic job on my ProCharger install, which headers?? Best of luck and keep us posted with your results.
Lockshed: A&A did a fantastic job on my ProCharger install, which headers?? Best of luck and keep us posted with your results.
Burning Brakes
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From: St. Lucie, FLORIDA 757 RWHP 694 RWTQ
Originally Posted by saplumr
ATI ProCharger.
Drifting
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From: Decatur IN
Our C6 twin turbo packages will meet all of your criteria, here's a link to more information:
http://www.lingenfelter.com/pack_cor_c6.htm
Please let me know if I can answer any questions for you,
Thanks,
Ed
http://www.lingenfelter.com/pack_cor_c6.htm
Please let me know if I can answer any questions for you,
Thanks,
Ed
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OK, I guess I'll be unpopular here, or maybe you guys will tell me my info is outdated. I've driven one car with a centrifugal blower (a Mustang with a Vortec) ...and REALLY hated it. It made all it's power over 5000 RPM ...so it felt like a naturally aspirated car 90% of the time. When the blower did kick in it ran to the rev limiter instantly and the fun was over ....fine for the strip but utterly useless on the street.
A positive displacement blower on the other hand makes low end torque like a 427, always on tap. That I expect, is why virtually (yes there are exceptions) every production supercharged auto made uses a positive displacement (Roots/Lysholm type ...such as Magnuson) supercharger. Take a look at Mercedes, Cadillac (all GM), Mustang (all Ford), etc.
Turbos have traditionally had substantial lag while the exhaust gases build up and are essentially exhaust-driven centrifugal superchargers ...but in recent years they've employed smaller and staged impellers to reduce (eliminate maybe) lag and come up quick enough to be more like a positive displacement blower. Spo you see those in production cars ...Bentley, etc., etc. ...our friend Ed from Lingenfelter can comment here. Assuming that Ed can tell you he's overcome lag and can give you low end ...then the concern I would have here is cost. When I see Twin Turbo I think in terms of big $$$.
So my belief is 1) Forget ProCharger, Paxton, Vortec, etc. unless all you do is drag, 2) Install a Magnuson and get a new hood ...they look cool anyway, or 3) See if Ed has something to sell you with his turbos.
OK all you ATI Procharger guys ...I'm bracing myself. What say you?
A positive displacement blower on the other hand makes low end torque like a 427, always on tap. That I expect, is why virtually (yes there are exceptions) every production supercharged auto made uses a positive displacement (Roots/Lysholm type ...such as Magnuson) supercharger. Take a look at Mercedes, Cadillac (all GM), Mustang (all Ford), etc.
Turbos have traditionally had substantial lag while the exhaust gases build up and are essentially exhaust-driven centrifugal superchargers ...but in recent years they've employed smaller and staged impellers to reduce (eliminate maybe) lag and come up quick enough to be more like a positive displacement blower. Spo you see those in production cars ...Bentley, etc., etc. ...our friend Ed from Lingenfelter can comment here. Assuming that Ed can tell you he's overcome lag and can give you low end ...then the concern I would have here is cost. When I see Twin Turbo I think in terms of big $$$.
So my belief is 1) Forget ProCharger, Paxton, Vortec, etc. unless all you do is drag, 2) Install a Magnuson and get a new hood ...they look cool anyway, or 3) See if Ed has something to sell you with his turbos.
OK all you ATI Procharger guys ...I'm bracing myself. What say you?
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From: Saint Albans, WV
Originally Posted by ChickenHawk
OK, I guess I'll be unpopular here, or maybe you guys will tell me my info is outdated. I've driven one car with a centrifugal blower (a Mustang with a Vortec) ...and REALLY hated it. It made all it's power over 5000 RPM ...so it felt like a naturally aspirated car 90% of the time. When the blower did kick in it ran to the rev limiter instantly and the fun was over ....fine for the strip but utterly useless on the street.
A positive displacement blower on the other hand makes low end torque like a 427, always on tap. That I expect, is why virtually (yes there are exceptions) every production supercharged auto made uses a positive displacement (Roots/Lysholm type ...such as Magnuson) supercharger. Take a look at Mercedes, Cadillac (all GM), Mustang (all Ford), etc.
Turbos have traditionally had substantial lag while the exhaust gases build up and are essentially exhaust-driven centrifugal superchargers ...but in recent years they've employed smaller and staged impellers to reduce (eliminate maybe) lag and come up quick enough to be more like a positive displacement blower. Spo you see those in production cars ...Bentley, etc., etc. ...our friend Ed from Lingenfelter can comment here. Assuming that Ed can tell you he's overcome lag and can give you low end ...then the concern I would have here is cost. When I see Twin Turbo I think in terms of big $$$.
So my belief is 1) Forget ProCharger, Paxton, Vortec, etc. unless all you do is drag, 2) Install a Magnuson and get a new hood ...they look cool anyway, or 3) See if Ed has something to sell you with his turbos.
OK all you ATI Procharger guys ...I'm bracing myself. What say you?
A positive displacement blower on the other hand makes low end torque like a 427, always on tap. That I expect, is why virtually (yes there are exceptions) every production supercharged auto made uses a positive displacement (Roots/Lysholm type ...such as Magnuson) supercharger. Take a look at Mercedes, Cadillac (all GM), Mustang (all Ford), etc.
Turbos have traditionally had substantial lag while the exhaust gases build up and are essentially exhaust-driven centrifugal superchargers ...but in recent years they've employed smaller and staged impellers to reduce (eliminate maybe) lag and come up quick enough to be more like a positive displacement blower. Spo you see those in production cars ...Bentley, etc., etc. ...our friend Ed from Lingenfelter can comment here. Assuming that Ed can tell you he's overcome lag and can give you low end ...then the concern I would have here is cost. When I see Twin Turbo I think in terms of big $$$.
So my belief is 1) Forget ProCharger, Paxton, Vortec, etc. unless all you do is drag, 2) Install a Magnuson and get a new hood ...they look cool anyway, or 3) See if Ed has something to sell you with his turbos.
OK all you ATI Procharger guys ...I'm bracing myself. What say you?
A little hair raising ride in a ProCharged C6 may quickly change your thinking. No flame here, it may not be for everyone.
Last edited by saplumr; Apr 18, 2006 at 05:00 PM.
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From: Dallas/Valley Ranch TEXAS!!!
Originally Posted by Italian-
Does the ATI's give you the power at low rpm? I want a system that i dont have to change the hood as well. Any video's of a C6 on the road with a ATI?
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From: Rockville Centre NY
Originally Posted by ChickenHawk
OK, I guess I'll be unpopular here, or maybe you guys will tell me my info is outdated. I've driven one car with a centrifugal blower (a Mustang with a Vortec) ...and REALLY hated it. It made all it's power over 5000 RPM ...so it felt like a naturally aspirated car 90% of the time. When the blower did kick in it ran to the rev limiter instantly and the fun was over ....fine for the strip but utterly useless on the street.
A positive displacement blower on the other hand makes low end torque like a 427, always on tap. That I expect, is why virtually (yes there are exceptions) every production supercharged auto made uses a positive displacement (Roots/Lysholm type ...such as Magnuson) supercharger. Take a look at Mercedes, Cadillac (all GM), Mustang (all Ford), etc.
Turbos have traditionally had substantial lag while the exhaust gases build up and are essentially exhaust-driven centrifugal superchargers ...but in recent years they've employed smaller and staged impellers to reduce (eliminate maybe) lag and come up quick enough to be more like a positive displacement blower. Spo you see those in production cars ...Bentley, etc., etc. ...our friend Ed from Lingenfelter can comment here. Assuming that Ed can tell you he's overcome lag and can give you low end ...then the concern I would have here is cost. When I see Twin Turbo I think in terms of big $$$.
So my belief is 1) Forget ProCharger, Paxton, Vortec, etc. unless all you do is drag, 2) Install a Magnuson and get a new hood ...they look cool anyway, or 3) See if Ed has something to sell you with his turbos.
OK all you ATI Procharger guys ...I'm bracing myself. What say you?
A positive displacement blower on the other hand makes low end torque like a 427, always on tap. That I expect, is why virtually (yes there are exceptions) every production supercharged auto made uses a positive displacement (Roots/Lysholm type ...such as Magnuson) supercharger. Take a look at Mercedes, Cadillac (all GM), Mustang (all Ford), etc.
Turbos have traditionally had substantial lag while the exhaust gases build up and are essentially exhaust-driven centrifugal superchargers ...but in recent years they've employed smaller and staged impellers to reduce (eliminate maybe) lag and come up quick enough to be more like a positive displacement blower. Spo you see those in production cars ...Bentley, etc., etc. ...our friend Ed from Lingenfelter can comment here. Assuming that Ed can tell you he's overcome lag and can give you low end ...then the concern I would have here is cost. When I see Twin Turbo I think in terms of big $$$.
So my belief is 1) Forget ProCharger, Paxton, Vortec, etc. unless all you do is drag, 2) Install a Magnuson and get a new hood ...they look cool anyway, or 3) See if Ed has something to sell you with his turbos.
OK all you ATI Procharger guys ...I'm bracing myself. What say you?
Now what's that about making all the power above 5000 RPM? Please don't compare our cars to Mustangs!
Melting Slicks
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From: Manassas VA
[QUOTE=ChickenHawk]OK, I guess I'll be unpopular here, or maybe you guys will tell me my info is outdated. I've driven one car with a centrifugal blower (a Mustang with a Vortec) ...and REALLY hated it. It made all it's power over 5000 RPM ...so it felt like a naturally aspirated car 90% of the time. [QUOTE]
Many people make similar comments which I never understand. I think that's whey they put that shift thingy in the center console. If you are trying for max acceleration why would you ever not put the car in the correct gear for the speed you are starting from and then shift when you run out of rpms in that gear?
Many people make similar comments which I never understand. I think that's whey they put that shift thingy in the center console. If you are trying for max acceleration why would you ever not put the car in the correct gear for the speed you are starting from and then shift when you run out of rpms in that gear?
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[QUOTE=ronsc1985][QUOTE=ChickenHawk]OK, I guess I'll be unpopular here, or maybe you guys will tell me my info is outdated. I've driven one car with a centrifugal blower (a Mustang with a Vortec) ...and REALLY hated it. It made all it's power over 5000 RPM ...so it felt like a naturally aspirated car 90% of the time.
Many people make similar comments which I never understand. I think that's whey they put that shift thingy in the center console. If you are trying for max acceleration why would you ever not put the car in the correct gear for the speed you are starting from and then shift when you run out of rpms in that gear?
Nice try on the "shift thingy" big guy. You really got me on that one! For most of us though, street driving is not about winding your car to the red line on the way to Kroger. It's about cruising in fourth and having instant punch at the gas pedal ...not requiring a downshift, clutch in, get RPM up, pop clutch. On the other hand, c5grandsport's dyno sheet does point out low end gains - thanks for that. And OK, you got gain at all points - but you're still getting waaay more at high RPM. I think you'll find a positive displacement blower shifts the whole curve vertically and near-equally across the spectrum. More low-end ...and OK before you say it, the posi gives up some on the top end to the centrifugal. That's why the centrifugal is best for dragging and the posi for street ...and maybe (not sure here - too dependent on design) ...the multi-stage turbo might be best all around ...at a price.
If you don't believe me, tell me why there's not a major auto manufacturer using a centrifugal supercharger from the factory ...OK I am thinking there was a little Cutlass in the 70s? Think about it - centrifugals are the cheapest and easiest to install, yet every manufacturer I can think of is using either a roots, lysholm, or a turbo setup with multi-stage light impellers.
Many people make similar comments which I never understand. I think that's whey they put that shift thingy in the center console. If you are trying for max acceleration why would you ever not put the car in the correct gear for the speed you are starting from and then shift when you run out of rpms in that gear?
If you don't believe me, tell me why there's not a major auto manufacturer using a centrifugal supercharger from the factory ...OK I am thinking there was a little Cutlass in the 70s? Think about it - centrifugals are the cheapest and easiest to install, yet every manufacturer I can think of is using either a roots, lysholm, or a turbo setup with multi-stage light impellers.
Melting Slicks
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From: Manassas VA
[QUOTE=ChickenHawk][QUOTE=ronsc1985]
The car companies build whatever the majority of their customers prefer. I guess more people want to just floor it without having to change gears. This is the major reason people complain about turbo lag. I remember people complaining about turbo cars because when they floored it at 2k or so in top gear nothing much happened for awhile.
If you want low rpm boost so you don't have to shift fine with me. I prefer to be in the max horsepower band when I get on it.
Originally Posted by ChickenHawk
OK, I guess I'll be unpopular here, or maybe you guys will tell me my info is outdated. I've driven one car with a centrifugal blower (a Mustang with a Vortec) ...and REALLY hated it. It made all it's power over 5000 RPM ...so it felt like a naturally aspirated car 90% of the time.
Nice try on the "shift thingy" big guy. You really got me on that one! For most of us though, street driving is not about winding your car to the red line on the way to Kroger. It's about cruising in fourth and having instant punch at the gas pedal ...not requiring a downshift, clutch in, get RPM up, pop clutch. On the other hand, c5grandsport's dyno sheet does point out low end gains - thanks for that. And OK, you got gain at all points - but you're still getting waaay more at high RPM. I think you'll find a positive displacement blower shifts the whole curve vertically and near-equally across the spectrum. More low-end ...and OK before you say it, the posi gives up some on the top end to the centrifugal. That's why the centrifugal is best for dragging and the posi for street ...and maybe (not sure here - too dependent on design) ...the multi-stage turbo might be best all around ...at a price.
If you don't believe me, tell me why there's not a major auto manufacturer using a centrifugal supercharger from the factory ...OK I am thinking there was a little Cutlass in the 70s? Think about it - centrifugals are the cheapest and easiest to install, yet every manufacturer I can think of is using either a roots, lysholm, or a turbo setup with multi-stage light impellers.
Nice try on the "shift thingy" big guy. You really got me on that one! For most of us though, street driving is not about winding your car to the red line on the way to Kroger. It's about cruising in fourth and having instant punch at the gas pedal ...not requiring a downshift, clutch in, get RPM up, pop clutch. On the other hand, c5grandsport's dyno sheet does point out low end gains - thanks for that. And OK, you got gain at all points - but you're still getting waaay more at high RPM. I think you'll find a positive displacement blower shifts the whole curve vertically and near-equally across the spectrum. More low-end ...and OK before you say it, the posi gives up some on the top end to the centrifugal. That's why the centrifugal is best for dragging and the posi for street ...and maybe (not sure here - too dependent on design) ...the multi-stage turbo might be best all around ...at a price.
If you don't believe me, tell me why there's not a major auto manufacturer using a centrifugal supercharger from the factory ...OK I am thinking there was a little Cutlass in the 70s? Think about it - centrifugals are the cheapest and easiest to install, yet every manufacturer I can think of is using either a roots, lysholm, or a turbo setup with multi-stage light impellers.
If you want low rpm boost so you don't have to shift fine with me. I prefer to be in the max horsepower band when I get on it.
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From: St. Lucie, FLORIDA 757 RWHP 694 RWTQ
Originally Posted by fredgpowell
10,000 miles and no problems what other upgrades did you do to the car to be able to handle that type of power. I might think of doing that if you are getting those types of numbers.
I crack myself up! Anyway I have an ATI procharger with a 4.50 pulley(I can go smaller but not now). Dynatech longtube headers into magnaflow exhaust.That gets me 508/482. I bought a set of replica rims 18x9.5 with Nitto 555R 305/35/18 and that does the trick on the streets. Next trick is a set of 3.42 gears to replace the 2.72's in there now (plus the upgrade in sway bars)