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Old May 10, 2006 | 11:08 AM
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Yes, I got the recall notice along with everyone else. My silver C6 lives in Central Oregon (low humidity, moderate temperatures.) The local GM dealer's Vette allocation is about 2 a year and there are very few C6s in this part of the world. My top does not creak, nor exhibit any of the symptoms described in the SB and after reading the instructions for the foam injection technique am frankly terrified of the prospect of allowing an inexperienced body shop "technician" to work on my perfectly fitting and functioning top. I have read all the threads on the subject and have indeed seen examples of light colored tops delaminating in temperate climates. What's the collective advice? Wait until it creaks (if it ever does) or bite the bullet and take it in?
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Old May 10, 2006 | 01:21 PM
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I have the same concerns... planned on waiting til the last minute to get fixed, since I don't have any issues either.

BUT... I read a post yesterday, where someone claims that he lost his top while driving and it was due to the "delamination" issue. I have an appointment next week to get mine looked at before I go on a trip over Memorial weekend.
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Old May 10, 2006 | 10:29 PM
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It's a free fix. Take it in. What are you going to do if it comes apart when the car is 37 months old?
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Old May 11, 2006 | 12:28 AM
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I have a painted top and did not get a recall notice. What are the affected VIN's?
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Old May 11, 2006 | 10:59 AM
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VIN numbers 55100002 through 55135053 and 2006 cars numbered 65100001 through 651000046 are referenced in GM Program Bulletin 05112A which a note which states that "Not all vehicles within the above breakpoints may be involved."

The idea of an "inspection" might sound like a prudent thing to do, but assuming the GM dealer follows the dictates of the Bulletin, if you appear at the dealership with a painted top, you'll get the foam treatment or a new top. There are no other options available. "Whenever a vehicle subject to this program...is in your dealership for service prior to March 31, 2007, you must take the steps necessary to be sure the program correction has been made before...releasing the vehicle."

The 12-page Bulletin containing instructions on injecting the 2-part foam (which sets up in 15 seconds) into a top which passes inspection lead me to conclude that the technician doing the work better be pretty clever, and experienced to avoid messing up your baby's lid. "It is difficult to clean the foam off of visible surfaces."

If a feeler gage can be inserted into any of the 6 areas shown on page 3 of the Bulletin, the top must be replaced and of course, repainted. Hobson's choice it seems.
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Old May 11, 2006 | 11:31 AM
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I got my recall notice and just brought th ecar in this past week for the roof fix. My dealer's body shop told me right away that they had never done one of these before, but assured me it wasn't going to be a problem. They were right. They had the instructions and glue on hand, checked my roof with a feeler gauge and found it to be within normal tolerances. They then applied the glue as per the recall, washed the car and gave it back to me. There is no sign of the roof having been touched. While checking it, they even found one latch that was too loose and causing a noise when the car went over bumps. They adjusted the latch while they had it.

They gave me a loaner while they worked on my car and the whole deal was totally painless. If you've gotten the recall, my suggestion would be to just have it done.
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Old May 21, 2006 | 02:27 PM
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Well it finally got me, left my car sitting in the sun. Now I have a space around 3 inches in the back. I rather have a clear top. Are the dealers giving a credit for a clear top. I heard the glue doesn't work, ie. it delaminates again. Anyone have luck dealing with the dealers?
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Old May 21, 2006 | 02:52 PM
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Well it finally got me, left my car sitting in the sun. Now I have a space around 3 inches in the back. I rather have a clear top. Are the dealers giving a credit for a clear top. I heard the glue doesn't work, ie. it delaminates again. Anyone have luck dealing with the dealers?
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If you have a gap, they won't glue it, they'll replace it per the TSB. They won't replace it with the lexan top, however, since that top costs twice as much as the painted top.
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Old May 21, 2006 | 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by shopdog
If you have a gap, they won't glue it, they'll replace it per the TSB. They won't replace it with the lexan top, however, since that top costs twice as much as the painted top.
A minor friendly correction, if you don't mind:

"They won't replace it with the lexan top, however, since that top is priced twice as much as the painted top."

The cost is about the same, I believe, since it is essentially the same resin used for both clear and painted tops, but what they can charge is higher, since one is percieved as more valuable.




Hmmm,,, ran across this patent, thought someone here might be interested... I guess GM missed it , note the bold I added, below:

United States Patent 6887573

BACKGROUND OF THE INVENTION

Transparent blends of polycarbonate and polyesters have attractive properties like toughness and chemical resistance. Also, UV resistance is improved over that of polycarbonate by itself. U.S. Pat. No. 5,942,585 to Scott et al relates to clear blends of polycarbonates and polyesters where the polyester comprises a dicarboxylic acid component based on 1,4-cyclohexanedicarboxylic acid units and a glycol component comprising 2,2,4,4-tetramethyl-1,3-cyclobutanediol units. U.S. Pat. No. 6,136,441 to MacGregor et al relates to substrates with an adherent cycloaliphatic layer. References disclosing polycarbonate polyester blends and their transparent properties include U.S. Pat. No. 4,879,355 and GB Patent Application No. 1,559,230A.

Durable, glossy fascia associated with articles such as automobiles, luggage, appliances, and other durable articles made from plastics increase both the aesthetic appeal and the utility of these articles. Clear coatings on exterior of articles are useful for their scratch and abrasion resistance, as well as toughness and aesthetic appeal. A continued problem in the use of coatings is bonding the outer layer to the substrate layer.

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Originally Posted by shopdog
If you have a gap, they won't glue it, they'll replace it per the TSB. They won't replace it with the lexan top, however, since that top costs twice as much as the painted top.
Thanks. It was fine for 6 mos. Today I left it out in the sun for 5 hours. Thats all she needed. For those of you, have not seen this problem, leave your car to bake in the sun . I have read the new tops have the same problem.
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Originally Posted by hdfatboy
Thanks. It was fine for 6 mos. Today I left it out in the sun for 5 hours. Thats all she needed. For those of you, have not seen this problem, leave your car to bake in the sun . I have read the new tops have the same problem.
Tell me that this is not so. I'm not willing to do through this crap again if the new top goes bad I see a Viper in my future.
. Mine came off last weekend and the new tops are on back order. The dealer does not know when they are going to get any in. I called the parts dept. on Friday and the clear top is $1600.00. Hell I would be happy to pay the difference if they would work with me on it. By the time they pay for the roof and have the body shop paint it then spend $50 a day for 3 weeks for this god forsaken Yukon they gave me to drive they would be way ahead.
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Old May 22, 2006 | 09:12 AM
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You think GM dealers would be smart enough to have clear tops on hand as loaners while customers wait for the new painted top. When I get mine, ie if I keep it (not trade it for a clear top), I will let it bake in the sun even if it is not required to test it while it is still under warranty! My car rarely sat in the sun, went from garage to garage. After a few hours, the sun seperated my top . There is 1 poster on here who is on their 3rd top.
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Old May 22, 2006 | 03:25 PM
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Well, I guess I'm in on all the fun now too. I went to the beach this past weekend for a few hours and when I started driving back from Cocoa Beach to Orlando the GOD awful noises started. I ended up pulling over and taking the top off. When I got home I checked it out and the whole back center section is seperating. I have a 8am appointment on Wednesday to have them tell me they will probably need to order parts and it will be a few weeks. On top of that the HUD buttons on the right side of the steering wheel won't light up at night any more.
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Originally Posted by Burnt C6
Tell me that this is not so. I'm not willing to do through this crap again if the new top goes bad I see a Viper in my future.
. Mine came off last weekend and the new tops are on back order. The dealer does not know when they are going to get any in. I called the parts dept. on Friday and the clear top is $1600.00. Hell I would be happy to pay the difference if they would work with me on it. By the time they pay for the roof and have the body shop paint it then spend $50 a day for 3 weeks for this god forsaken Yukon they gave me to drive they would be way ahead.
If you're considering going to a clear top, buy it through one of the forum vendors. I think they sell for about $1200
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Just got mine done today... no problems. In fact, you cannot even tell anything was done.

The tech said that there was nothing wrong with mine, but he is still required to inject the foam for precaution.
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My painted top had no issues until I had the recall foam adhesive injection performed. Now it snaps, crackles and pops like a bowl of Rice Crispies, definitely worse when the sun shines on it (the top, not the bowl of Rice Crispies).

Looks like a new top is the next step.
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Old May 22, 2006 | 07:42 PM
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Can you just take the roof in with the VIN number and leave the car at home in the garage. ??
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My top had no issues until this weekend when I was traveling above the speed limit and the heard a very loud wind noise. I slowed down right away and knew what the problems was. The front of my roof top seems loose. I just stuck a business card in between the top and the inside of the roof about a 1.5 inches across the whole top. I have an appointment tomorrow morning to have it fixed. After reading all the second failures, I am almost dreading taking in.
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Just take it in. You could be putting other people at risk...I just left the roof with them. Picked up the same day. No problems since.
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