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May 28, 2006 | 06:50 AM

S281ER238

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Need Advice On Headers

Who Make Better Shorty Headers Jba Or Callaway

May 28, 2006 | 07:47 AM

radstoy

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I really question if there is much if any gain from shorties.

May 28, 2006 | 02:55 PM

TommyV

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Considering the Callaway shorties will be about $1,400 shipped, and they only make about 8-10 HP, that's $140 per HP. Not a very good ratio.

May 28, 2006 | 03:32 PM

shopdog

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Considering the Callaway shorties will be about $1,400 shipped, and they only make about 8-10 HP, that's $140 per HP. Not a very good ratio.

Yeah, but that's the Corvette tax at work. A set of small block Hookers are about $350. $35 per hp is a lot better deal.

May 28, 2006 | 05:41 PM

06corvette

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I don't know that much about shorties.
if you are looking for power i'll say long
if you are looking for ground clearance i'll say LG long

Good luck

May 28, 2006 | 06:08 PM

bunk22

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Did you talk to JBA? Before I bought my Kooks, I spoke with them about C6 headers. At the time (6 months ago) they said they were only making long-tubes for the C6 since there simply were not enough gains to go with the shorties.

May 28, 2006 | 06:26 PM

fredgpowell

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Shorties are a waste of time and money. They are not even a good mod. If you come to be and say you have shorties on your car I would not be impressed and might laugh. I have LGs and they are fine and I have no codes since I got the car tuned. Go with LT or dont go at all.

May 30, 2006 | 02:32 AM

S281ER238

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so why does callaway a million dollar company who invest a lot of money in vettes sale them

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May 30, 2006 | 03:15 AM

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so why does callaway a million dollar company who invest a lot of money in vettes sale them

Possibly, Shorties provide their ideal exhaust note.

May 30, 2006 | 03:21 AM

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Shorties are a waste of time and money. They are not even a good mod. Go with LT or dont go at all.

Quote:

Originally Posted by S281ER238

so why does callaway a million dollar company who invest a lot of money in vettes sale them

One reason only: at least some minute gains while remaining emissions legal.
To me that gain just isn't worth the price of entry/effort.

May 30, 2006 | 12:37 PM

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mcv

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On an otherwise completely stock LS2 equipped C6, Callaway headers produce an additional 8 to 10 bhp (SAE-corrected). As other engine components are installed, i.e., cat back exhaust, intake manifold, performance camshaft, ported cylinder heads, etc., the added power increases. They produce the ringing "header sound" that many of us like, but we use them in our 490 and 550 hp SuperNatural Corvettes for the added power, not for the sound.

Long tube headers produce more power; however, they are not legal for street use per the federal Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). These headers change the location of the OEM catalytic converters and oxygen sensors, which the EPA considers "Tampering". The only converters that are EPA-legal are OEM or OEM replacement, which doesn't include any catalytic converters that increase flow. Callaway Cars has chosen not to sell or install long tube headers, high-flow converters, or any other products that are non-compliant with EPA regulations.

May 30, 2006 | 12:45 PM

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midnite902

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mcv

Long tube headers produce more power; however, they are not legal for street use per the federal Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). These headers change the location of the OEM catalytic converters and oxygen sensors, which the EPA considers "Tampering". The only converters that are EPA-legal are OEM or OEM replacement, which doesn't include any catalytic converters that increase flow. Callaway Cars has chosen not to sell or install long tube headers, high-flow converters, or any other products that are non-compliant with EPA regulations.

Read, Keep ypur OEM exhaust if you go with LTs. You may be forced to reinstall them some day down te road. Move from any state to California and you will have to change back to OEM for the intital licensing. After that many people are getting away with LTs in Ca. but, just as many are getting caught out and forced to go back to OEM.

May 30, 2006 | 03:08 PM

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TommyV

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After that many people are getting away with LTs in Ca. but, just as many are getting caught out and forced to go back to OEM.

I've run headers on all my cars since the early 80's and have never had a problem with inspections or checking for CARB numbers. As long as it passes the sniffer, you're okay. If anyone has been "caught" and forced to remove them, I'd like to hear about it.

May 30, 2006 | 08:13 PM

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S281ER238

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so the headers are waste of my money then i should just do a tune on the car

May 30, 2006 | 08:42 PM

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LS1LT1

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so the headers are waste of my money then i should just do a tune on the car

Yes, a cold air intake (ie: Vararam etc.), a 160 degree thermostat and tuning (with fan settings) for all of it.

May 30, 2006 | 09:06 PM

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cmb13

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I must be really nuts; I actually find this thread interesting!

May 30, 2006 | 09:09 PM

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bunk22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by S281ER238

so the headers are waste of my money then i should just do a tune on the car

With my Halltech intake and Corsa cat-back, I ran the same times as stock in the 1/8th. After my tune, I ran .2 and 3.9 mph quicker in the 1/8th. After long-tubes, I ran .3 and 3 mph quicker in the 1/8th. I think a tune is very much worthwhile......if you don't mind possbily losing your warranty.