C6 Halltech intake coming apart?
Drifting
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I had the problem of the filter falling off when I first installed it. Here how I fixed it. Instead of tightening the hose clamp with a screwdriver, I tightened it with a socket and ratchet. I was able to clamp the hose tighter than with a screwdriver and seems to have fixed it. Simple as that!
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From: Bristol, Tennessee
St. Jude Donor '09
Originally Posted by KDH
After the filter on the first Halltech I bought kept slipping off, I ended up overtightening the clamp on the air bridge, causing it to collapse around the edge. I contacted Jim Hall, who immediately sent me a new one. That one didn't collapse, but it still kept working itself loose from the filter (albeit more slowly). I ended up taking it off and reinstalling the factory unit.
I'd like to try it again, but don't hold out much hope for success the third time around. It seems to me that supporting the unit from the bottom of the filter would alleviate the problem. Any thoughts on a good way to do this, or if this would even work? Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
I'd like to try it again, but don't hold out much hope for success the third time around. It seems to me that supporting the unit from the bottom of the filter would alleviate the problem. Any thoughts on a good way to do this, or if this would even work? Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
On future systems, we may include a tube of adhesive to augment the sealing of the filter.
Le Mans Master
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From: Imperial Beach CA
Originally Posted by Jim Hall
I wish folks would email me or call with these issues. We just tried some spray contact cement on the end of the bridge and installed the filter, tightened the hose clamp and let it set up. No way it is coming off.
On future systems, we may include a tube of adhesive to augment the sealing of the filter.
On future systems, we may include a tube of adhesive to augment the sealing of the filter.
Le Mans Master
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From: Chandler Arizona
Originally Posted by glennhl
Jim,
I agree with the numbers, you get around 2.5 hp for the bigger filter, but where does the rest come from if it's good for 10 hp?
Thanks,
Glenn
I agree with the numbers, you get around 2.5 hp for the bigger filter, but where does the rest come from if it's good for 10 hp?
Thanks,
Glenn
Le Mans Master
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From: Imperial Beach CA
Originally Posted by glennhl
I'm still curious where the other 7.5 hp is coming from? Is the factory bridge really that bad?
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From: Chandler Arizona
Originally Posted by jimman
I don't think the stock unit is that bad when you consider the best increase is around 10hp on a 400hp motor with the aftermarket ones. I changed the filter of the stock setup to K&N and did before and after dyno pulls with repeatability thrown in for good measure and there was no difference. So the only thing left was a pressure variance do to tube geometry
I have read people gaining 10 hp and I've also read people gaining only 2 hp. I admit that a filter element that has 2 inches of water less pressure drop is good for 2 hp. But I'd be surprised if the aftermarket bridges have much less pressure drop than the factory one. The next time I'm on a dyno, I'll take in my stock filter setup to get a back to back.
Thanks,
Glenn
Burning Brakes
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From: Dallas Texas
Originally Posted by Irv
This sums up my reaction, but even though Hall blew me off, and suggested I just sell the Stinger in this Forum if I'm not happy with it
Originally Posted by Jim Hall
I wish folks would email me or call with these issues.
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Originally Posted by Jim Hall
I wish folks would email me or call with these issues. We just tried some spray contact cement on the end of the bridge and installed the filter, tightened the hose clamp and let it set up. No way it is coming off.
On future systems, we may include a tube of adhesive to augment the sealing of the filter.
On future systems, we may include a tube of adhesive to augment the sealing of the filter.
Thanks for the response. I wasn't trying to slam you or your product. In fact, I'm very impressed with your outstanding level of customer service, and I should have contacted you directly. I'm going to try the adhesive, but is there any particular brand I should use? As I recall from the installation instructions, you advised against using any type of silicone product to secure the PCV valve, as it might affect the O2 sensor. Thanks.
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From: Bristol, Tennessee
St. Jude Donor '09
Originally Posted by KDH
Jim
Thanks for the response. I wasn't trying to slam you or your product. In fact, I'm very impressed with your outstanding level of customer service, and I should have contacted you directly. I'm going to try the adhesive, but is there any particular brand I should use? As I recall from the installation instructions, you advised against using any type of silicone product to secure the PCV valve, as it might affect the O2 sensor. Thanks.
Thanks for the response. I wasn't trying to slam you or your product. In fact, I'm very impressed with your outstanding level of customer service, and I should have contacted you directly. I'm going to try the adhesive, but is there any particular brand I should use? As I recall from the installation instructions, you advised against using any type of silicone product to secure the PCV valve, as it might affect the O2 sensor. Thanks.
The filter is heavy, which makes cleaning the 1" flange thoroughly with Acetone mandatory to remove any oil that may have worked its way into the flange area during shipment. This information is on our installation video.
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From: Bristol, Tennessee
St. Jude Donor '09
Originally Posted by npm
yeah, i am going to go with irv is full of it.
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St. Jude Donor '09
Originally Posted by glennhl
I have read people gaining 10 hp and I've also read people gaining only 2 hp. I admit that a filter element that has 2 inches of water less pressure drop is good for 2 hp. But I'd be surprised if the aftermarket bridges have much less pressure drop than the factory one. The next time I'm on a dyno, I'll take in my stock filter setup to get a back to back.
Thanks,
Glenn
Thanks,
Glenn
I think Jimman has done more dyno testing of our C6 Stinger than anyone else on the forum, he might be able to relate his experiences to us.
You can also check with our Warehouse Distributors, 21st Century Muscle Cars, LG Motorsports, Corvette Central, A&A Corvette, Corvette Accessories Unlimited, Livernois Performance, Norris Motorsports, Extreme Motorsports, Dragon's Breath Performance, Finish Line Performance, New Era Performance, and Corvette Garage. All are forum sponsors, and none have ever reported any issues like this to Halltech. They sell our C6 Stingers by the truckload and must have pretty good results. Give them a call.
Le Mans Master
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From: Imperial Beach CA
Originally Posted by Jim Hall
As everyone who have ever dynoed the C6 can attest, dyno numbers can be 10 to 12 RWHP different from one dyno day to the next. We saw 11 RWHP on the same car, same dyno, same day, with no other changes.
I think Jimman has done more dyno testing of our C6 Stinger than anyone else on the forum, he might be able to relate his experiences to us.
You can also check with our Warehouse Distributors, 21st Century Muscle Cars, LG Motorsports, Corvette Central, A&A Corvette, Corvette Accessories Unlimited, Livernois Performance, Norris Motorsports, Extreme Motorsports, Dragon's Breath Performance, Finish Line Performance, New Era Performance, and Corvette Garage. All are forum sponsors, and none have ever reported any issues like this to Halltech. They sell our C6 Stingers by the truckload and must have pretty good results. Give them a call.
I think Jimman has done more dyno testing of our C6 Stinger than anyone else on the forum, he might be able to relate his experiences to us.
You can also check with our Warehouse Distributors, 21st Century Muscle Cars, LG Motorsports, Corvette Central, A&A Corvette, Corvette Accessories Unlimited, Livernois Performance, Norris Motorsports, Extreme Motorsports, Dragon's Breath Performance, Finish Line Performance, New Era Performance, and Corvette Garage. All are forum sponsors, and none have ever reported any issues like this to Halltech. They sell our C6 Stingers by the truckload and must have pretty good results. Give them a call.
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St. Jude Donor '09
Originally Posted by jimman
The Halltech C6 Stinger setup was without programming, correct?
Halltech without programming was 9.5 RWHP over just the OE stock intake with programming?
So what were the Halltech numbers with programming, or is programming unnecessary in your opinion with our intake?
Le Mans Master
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From: Imperial Beach CA
Originally Posted by Jim Hall
It appears that the Halltech C6 Stinger made 18.77 RWHP over your baseline with the K&N/Exhaust setup.
The Halltech C6 Stinger setup was without programming, correct?
Halltech without programming was 9.5 RWHP over just the OE stock intake with programming?
So what were the Halltech numbers with programming, or is programming unnecessary in your opinion with our intake?
The Halltech C6 Stinger setup was without programming, correct?
Halltech without programming was 9.5 RWHP over just the OE stock intake with programming?
So what were the Halltech numbers with programming, or is programming unnecessary in your opinion with our intake?
Le Mans Master
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From: Chandler Arizona
Originally Posted by jimman
We did the programing first after the base line. We then installed the tric and ran another pull without any further tune and got what you see on the graph. No further tuning got any further improvement so I just left the graph as is. The significant thing Jim and you already know this is the delta above the peak that is significant not the peak persay.
