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Old Sep 5, 2006 | 01:45 AM
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This is my first vette, here are my mods now....
B&B Route 66 Exhaust
Grizzly Jet Coated Headers Kit(x pipe etc)
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Lowered 1/2'' in front, full inch in back

I noticed more power once I switched the headers, but now i want more. The guys who do my work said to go cams and springs next, and then a supercharger. Here are my questions, hopefully you can answer them in ENGLISH, for I am still learning the technical terms.

1. I know the differences between the procharger and the maggie, but are there sound clips for each? I've been to LPE website and their sound clips aren't the same setup as mine. I want to hear the "whine" alone. Any sound clips would be great for both setups, procharger or maggie.

2. I'm leaning towards the maggie, but I have stock tires and I like them. Will I be able to grip the road with the maggie with stock tires? Do i have to buy new tires? Do i have to do cams and springs first, or can i just put on the supercharger?

3. If i get the procharger, will i have trouble gripping the road at higher rpms when the boost kicks in?

4. I'm 23 years old and i love pushing this car, how reliable are these superchargers? Any better ones?

5. Do i need to change anything or buy other things to prevent overheating of my engine? This is my everyday driver, until it snows here in chi-town.

Thanks a lot guys, I've read most of the different threads, but a lot of the responses were too technical for me. Dyno charts are just lines with colors on them, and i would know how to begin to ready them. Any help in plain english would be great. Thanks a lot, and sorry for the noob questions.
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Originally Posted by avpentinc
This is my first vette, here are my mods now....
B&B Route 66 Exhaust
Grizzly Jet Coated Headers Kit(x pipe etc)
Haltech Stinger CAI
Lowered 1/2'' in front, full inch in back

I noticed more power once I switched the headers, but now i want more. The guys who do my work said to go cams and springs next, and then a supercharger. Here are my questions, hopefully you can answer them in ENGLISH, for I am still learning the technical terms.

1. I know the differences between the procharger and the maggie, but are there sound clips for each? I've been to LPE website and their sound clips aren't the same setup as mine. I want to hear the "whine" alone. Any sound clips would be great for both setups, procharger or maggie.

2. I'm leaning towards the maggie, but I have stock tires and I like them. Will I be able to grip the road with the maggie with stock tires? Do i have to buy new tires? Do i have to do cams and springs first, or can i just put on the supercharger?

3. If i get the procharger, will i have trouble gripping the road at higher rpms when the boost kicks in?

4. I'm 23 years old and i love pushing this car, how reliable are these superchargers? Any better ones?

5. Do i need to change anything or buy other things to prevent overheating of my engine? This is my everyday driver, until it snows here in chi-town.

Thanks a lot guys, I've read most of the different threads, but a lot of the responses were too technical for me. Dyno charts are just lines with colors on them, and i would know how to begin to ready them. Any help in plain english would be great. Thanks a lot, and sorry for the noob questions.
So what exactly are you trying to accomplish? You say you want to keep your stock tires.... What exactly does that mean? You want to keep them for longevity, but you don't want to overpower them and break them loose from the power?

I'm biased against Maggies because ultimately they're never going to put out as much as a Procharger or Vortech. So let me be the first to tell you to go with a Procharger. They will more more power, and it will be more useable power because it's placed at higher rpm's which is ultimately where you're going to be when racing another car. You don't race other cars at 3k rpm! You're runnin that thing up to 6500 or 7! So if racing and winning is your intention, why not use a blower that is designed to make power at the rpm's you'll be using during a race?

And FWIW, boost does not just suddenly "come on", so you have nothing to worry about as far as getting out of control simply from rpm increasing. It's slow and gradual. It will just be a nice smooth curve up.

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Old Sep 5, 2006 | 04:08 PM
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Dont forget to also check on the Paxton setup from East Coast Supercharging (609-752-0321) I just had mine done.
It is awesome, steady power thru out the whole power band.
The SC whine is just right not too loud.
The car runs cooler and I could not be happier.
I dont know where you are located but they also ship the package for
local install.
Give Chris or Doug a call for info, knowing all your options cant hurt.

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Old Sep 5, 2006 | 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by avpentinc

1. I know the differences between the procharger and the maggie, but are there sound clips for each? I've been to LPE website and their sound clips aren't the same setup as mine. I want to hear the "whine" alone. Any sound clips would be great for both setups, procharger or maggie. I'd post a clip of my Maggie, but it doesn't do it justice unless you are in the car and it's blasting down the road. The whine is practically undetectable at idle. You get a little hint of whine mid-way through the rpm range, then a really mean whine that comes on strong in the upper rpms. Sounds great!

2. I'm leaning towards the maggie, but I have stock tires and I like them. Will I be able to grip the road with the maggie with stock tires? Do i have to buy new tires? You can break the tires loose if you get into the gas hard enough, but they still do a fair amount of hooking despite the tire spin. It will definitely plant you in the seat!!! Do i have to do cams and springs first, or can i just put on the supercharger? Optimal setup for a Maggie is typically a mostly stock motor. Prochargers (and others) do very well on modded motors, as well as stockers.

3. If i get the procharger, will i have trouble gripping the road at higher rpms when the boost kicks in?

4. I'm 23 years old and i love pushing this car, how reliable are these superchargers? Any better ones? Magnacharger (Eaton), Procharger, Vortech, etc... have been around a LONG time. Typically all very good names in supercharging.

5. Do i need to change anything or buy other things to prevent overheating of my engine? This is my everyday driver, until it snows here in chi-town. I can speak for the Maggie in that overheating is not an issue.
In the end - the decision is yours. Many prefer the higher horsepower Prochargers and the fact that they can perform very well with modded engines. Others enjoy the immense low-end power of the Maggie and the fun it creates for on the streets. Either way, I doubt you'd be disappointed in your choice.

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Old Sep 6, 2006 | 04:52 PM
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Chuck @ HPE, you are answering this thread in f-body mode. Read a LOT on this forum, you will find that the majority of Corvette guys aren't as into "racing other cars" like the Camaro/Firebird guys. They are looking for personal enjoyment from their Corvette, not so much about track times or street racing them.

So, in light of that, the Magna is a VERY viable option, and I know for a fact it feels more responsive and fun than a centrifugal. I get to enjoy my Magna on a daily-basis just commuting to work, and I don't have to go WOT at 6K+ rpm to do so.

That being said, I also am installing a Procharger in the Firebird, because that car WILL be raced more than the Corvette.
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Old Sep 6, 2006 | 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by SSJCreeper
In the end - the decision is yours. Many prefer the higher horsepower Prochargers and the fact that they can perform very well with modded engines. Others enjoy the immense low-end power of the Maggie and the fun it creates for on the streets. Either way, I doubt you'd be disappointed in your choice.

I had a Maggie from LPE for 4 years and loved every mile!
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Old Sep 6, 2006 | 07:56 PM
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I have the Procharger D1SC with heads, cam, headers and exhaust. It is my everyday ride. And, you don't have to get to 5-6k rpm to feel the SC kick it. It is a more gradual pull but does it ever pull

However, I agree with SSJcreeper, the choice is yours. You will be delighted with either setup
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Old Sep 6, 2006 | 07:59 PM
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If i do the maggie, do i need different tires to grip on the road? if so, which ones? Does anyone have a maggie that could tell me how the stock tires grip the road?

Here's what i want out of a supercharger...

1. I love to drive, I dont really race other cars, but i speed like crazy. When other cars pull up next to me and rev their engines, i shift down and take off, loosing them in my rear view mirror. its quite fun..

2. I drive this car EVERYDAY, i live in downtown chi-town, but i drive 20 miles to work (highway). Will the supercharger overheat on the drive?

3. i take it to 5500 rpm mulitple times each day, is the maggie right for me?

thanks a lot for all of your help, i really appreciate it. sorry for all the noob questions.
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Will the Maggie pass the CA smog inspection?
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Originally Posted by Medriver99
Dont forget to also check on the Paxton setup from East Coast Supercharging (609-752-0321) I just had mine done.
It is awesome, steady power thru out the whole power band.
The SC whine is just right not too loud.
The car runs cooler and I could not be happier.
I dont know where you are located but they also ship the package for
local install.
Give Chris or Doug a call for info, knowing all your options cant hurt.

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How much approximately in parts and labor?
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Originally Posted by avpentinc
If i do the maggie, do i need different tires to grip on the road? if so, which ones? Does anyone have a maggie that could tell me how the stock tires grip the road?

Here's what i want out of a supercharger...

1. I love to drive, I dont really race other cars, but i speed like crazy. When other cars pull up next to me and rev their engines, i shift down and take off, loosing them in my rear view mirror. its quite fun..

2. I drive this car EVERYDAY, i live in downtown chi-town, but i drive 20 miles to work (highway). Will the supercharger overheat on the drive?

3. i take it to 5500 rpm mulitple times each day, is the maggie right for me?

thanks a lot for all of your help, i really appreciate it. sorry for all the noob questions.

Sounds to me as if you install either supercharger, you're going hurt yourself or someone else acting foolish on the street. With the kind of power a SC will produce, mistakes can happen so quick there is no time to recover or correct.
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I have a "maggie" on mine and still have the stock tires{ for another week or so} and don't have any problem with 'em!
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Originally Posted by avpentinc
If i do the maggie, do i need different tires to grip on the road? if so, which ones? Does anyone have a maggie that could tell me how the stock tires grip the road? Your stock tires will still provide good grip. Under hard acceleration in 2nd gear - the Maggie maintained a decent level of grip... yet still rotated the tires all the way through the top of the gear. So YES, you will turn the tires... but do you NEED drag tires... I would say no. Unless you're running against a Procharged C6 ....you'll still rocket away from the car next to you... spinning the tires as you do it.

Here's what i want out of a supercharger...

1. I love to drive, I dont really race other cars, but i speed like crazy. When other cars pull up next to me and rev their engines, i shift down and take off, loosing them in my rear view mirror. its quite fun.. At their respective peaks, the Maggie makes 560hp, the Procharger 620hp (results may vary)... we've covered the differences, but if 560hp aint enough to reel in your targeted prey... then you are DEF big game huntin and should consider another F/I setup.

2. I drive this car EVERYDAY, i live in downtown chi-town, but i drive 20 miles to work (highway). Will the supercharger overheat on the drive? I've only got about 500 miles on my Maggie, but in several 90+ degree days of 35mph cruises and stop-lights... I don't believe I saw the engine temp go past 165-ish. It has the 160 thermostat and it pretty much maintained that the whole time.

3. i take it to 5500 rpm mulitple times each day, is the maggie right for me? The Maggie is still climbing at 5,500 rpm and does not peak until a bit past 6,500 rpm. For reference - the Maggie typically makes more HP and TQ from 4,000 rpm and down, whereas the Procharger makes more power from 4,000 rpm and up.

thanks a lot for all of your help, i really appreciate it. sorry for all the noob questions.
Good luck in your build... I predict you'll be on this board shortly thereafter saying "Why didn't I do this earlier!!!"

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Vortech here, running 325's in rear and traction is not a material issue.
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Originally Posted by 1bdasvt
I have a "maggie" on mine and still have the stock tires{ for another week or so} and don't have any problem with 'em!
Thats a bad *** set up. Did you use the same installer John Franz went to in BAkersfield?

Also, who makes the hood ?. I am thinking of the RK sport but some complain about finish and fitment.

For the dude with the original post about supercharging, the Maggie, for me, seems to be the best choice. Not hard on the drivetrain, doesnt sound like you have a broken water pump at idle.
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Hey LA PI,my hood is a Lingenfelter,and I think fits awesome!
My blower was installed by Magnuson{It was thier first install on an A6}
I love the way it works.
Hope to see you at one of the upcoming GTG's!

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I went with the RK sport hood and found fit and finish to be quite nice. LPE did the fitment and paint on it. I'll post some pix in a bit (on my pda right now).

The LPE hood that George has is MEAN! No mistaking his vette is something special. The RK sport hood is more subtle. I venture 9 of 10 people never realize its not a stock hood... and to some degree I like and yet dislike that fact.
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no complaints about the fit/finish of my RK Sport hood.
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I saw the hood on tbyrnes web site but your pics of the car now, would be very nice indeed.

I agree, I like the subtle, you dont know what I got look, but also like the see what I got look as well.

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I went with the RK sport hood and found fit and finish to be quite nice. LPE did the fitment and paint on it. I'll post some pix in a bit (on my pda right now).

The LPE hood that George has is MEAN! No mistaking his vette is something special. The RK sport hood is more subtle. I venture 9 of 10 people never realize its not a stock hood... and to some degree I like and yet dislike that fact.
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Sorry for the delay, here's some pix of the RK Sport hood.





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