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From: stafford country, va. Avatar: Me on turn 3 @ Bristol (The World's Fastest Half-Mile)
Originally Posted by HITMAN99
... The second parameter is the coolant temp itself ---- if it gets over 186 degrees, that also results in timing being pulled.
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Originally Posted by Zig
i just thought about this...so are you saying that timing begins to get pulled just as the 'stock' therm. begins to open ?
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From: stafford country, va. Avatar: Me on turn 3 @ Bristol (The World's Fastest Half-Mile)
Originally Posted by cbrf4i1
that quote from hitman regarding timing been pull at 186* ect is incorrect. so the answer to your question is, no. looking at the chart it looks like it starts at 212*, i have the timing pull from ect chart if you wanted i can email to you.
how/where did you get the chart ?
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Originally Posted by smokinvette.com
I have a 170 degree thermostat installed... is there a big difference between this and the 160?
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Originally Posted by cbrf4i1
that quote from hitman regarding timing been pull at 186* ect is incorrect. so the answer to your question is, no. looking at the chart it looks like it starts at 212* and it could pull up to 3 degrees, i have the timing pull from ect chart if you wanted i can email to you.
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From: stafford country, va. Avatar: Me on turn 3 @ Bristol (The World's Fastest Half-Mile)
Originally Posted by HITMAN99
...that IAT is one of the parameters that will result in timing being pulled.
if the ecm won't start pulling timing until 212 and we are able to keep the coolant temps under 212 with the 'stock therm.' at what temp does the iat begin to pull timing/advance.
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Originally Posted by Zig
if the ecm won't start pulling timing until 212 and we are able to keep the coolant temps under 212 with the 'stock therm.' at what temp does the iat begin to pull timing/advance.
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From: stafford country, va. Avatar: Me on turn 3 @ Bristol (The World's Fastest Half-Mile)
Originally Posted by gtodoug
Spark will start being pulled @81.5* under light throttle and 90.5* under WOT operation.
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From: az
Originally Posted by gtodoug
Spark will start being pulled @81.5* under light throttle and 90.5* under WOT operation.
actually my charts on the iat shows it starts at 86* under light throttle and 95* for wot. zig, iat timing retard chart just got emailed to you, posted if you want.
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Originally Posted by cbrf4i1
actually my charts on the iat shows it starts at 86* under light throttle and 95* for wot. zig, iat timing retard chart just got emailed to you, posted if you want.
hope that makes sense.
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From: stafford country, va. Avatar: Me on turn 3 @ Bristol (The World's Fastest Half-Mile)
Originally Posted by gtodoug
cbrf4i, my charts show the same thing, however it blends the cells next to each other. So if one cell is 77 and the next one is 86 that gives you a delta of 9* and it will pull timing right inbetween the two. What ever value is in that cell at 86* it will pull half of that number and ramp up to the full amount when it reaches 86*
hope that makes sense.
dougie
hope that makes sense.
dougie
the cell for 86 degrees iat and .32 cylinder air mass shows a value of -1 (minus one) for iat timing retard.
does this mean it pulls one degree of timing or does it reduce the advance rate by a value of -1.
at 86 degrees it uses the -1 value, which to me, means that at 85 degrees no adjustment is made.
i know, finding the 'wind chill' effect is not a valid method to obtain temp. based upon outside air temp and wind speed but according to the chart we don't have a chance, anytime air temp is over 85 degrees the iat will at least be that amount. or am i wrong ?
edit: the chart does show that we can go up to 94 degrees and a cylinder airmass of .72 and above will result in no timing change. at 85 degrees and .32 cylinder airmass of .32 to .39 results in -1, .40 is -2, .44 is -3, .48 to .68 is -4, then .72 up is 0.
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ect chart
Originally Posted by cbrf4i1
zig, just email you the chart, feel free to post it on this thread if you want, i don't have a way to posted it. thanks
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From: az
Originally Posted by gtodoug
cbrf4i, my charts show the same thing, however it blends the cells next to each other. So if one cell is 77 and the next one is 86 that gives you a delta of 9* and it will pull timing right inbetween the two. What ever value is in that cell at 86* it will pull half of that number and ramp up to the full amount when it reaches 86*
hope that makes sense.
dougie
hope that makes sense.
dougie
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From: az
Originally Posted by Zig
after looking at the 'iat timing retard chart', will be poseted once the pic gets approved, we don't have a chance, unless we always and only run during air temps. of 85 degrees or less.
the cell for 86 degrees iat and .32 cylinder air mass shows a value of -1 (minus one) for iat timing retard.
does this mean it pulls one degree of timing or does it reduce the advance rate by a value of -1.
at 86 degrees it uses the -1 value, which to me, means that at 85 degrees no adjustment is made.
i know, finding the 'wind chill' effect is not a valid method to obtain temp. based upon outside air temp and wind speed but according to the chart we don't have a chance, anytime air temp is over 85 degrees the iat will at least be that amount. or am i wrong ?
edit: the chart does show that we can go up to 94 degrees and a cylinder airmass of .72 and above will result in no timing change. at 85 degrees and .32 cylinder airmass of .32 to .39 results in -1, .40 is -2, .44 is -3, .48 to .68 is -4, then .72 up is 0.
the cell for 86 degrees iat and .32 cylinder air mass shows a value of -1 (minus one) for iat timing retard.
does this mean it pulls one degree of timing or does it reduce the advance rate by a value of -1.
at 86 degrees it uses the -1 value, which to me, means that at 85 degrees no adjustment is made.
i know, finding the 'wind chill' effect is not a valid method to obtain temp. based upon outside air temp and wind speed but according to the chart we don't have a chance, anytime air temp is over 85 degrees the iat will at least be that amount. or am i wrong ?
edit: the chart does show that we can go up to 94 degrees and a cylinder airmass of .72 and above will result in no timing change. at 85 degrees and .32 cylinder airmass of .32 to .39 results in -1, .40 is -2, .44 is -3, .48 to .68 is -4, then .72 up is 0.
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Originally Posted by cbrf4i1
i am in AZ, 10 months a year the high of the day is above 86*....but i hate snow...
snow ain't all that bad. some of the 'strangest' christmas' i've ever spent were in L.A. , it's just something about sunny, 70 and mild that doesn't really say christmas.
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you feel sorry for me now? i am in AZ, 10 months a year the high of the day is above 86*....but i hate snow...
You will never get enough cool dense air........... we need to make you an air conditioner to cool the intake charge (just like an intercooler cools the hot supercharged/turbocharged air)Call me crazy...... I forget which ac line remains cold but if you added a section and ran it through the air intake. You have to run the ac any way because it is hotter than hell in AZ
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You will never get enough cool dense air........... we need to make you an air conditioner to cool the intake charge (just like an intercooler cools the hot supercharged/turbocharged air)Call me crazy...... I forget which ac line remains cold but if you added a section and ran it through the air intake. You have to run the ac any way because it is hotter than hell in AZ