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I cannot find any vendors with c6 shorty headers.. I have a couple of reasons I would like to go this route over the more powerful LTs (sound level with Bullets, high flow cats dont work really work all that well, half the price.. still 15whp gains) etc.)
...my other option would be the BB headers (I would rather go catless then high flows from past experience) to match up to the B&B PRT. Im assuming no one has had this setup... so I have no idea how loud it would be and if the center PRT section can tame the DBs at all.
Last edited by bdking57; Jan 22, 2007 at 04:14 PM.
Callaway is the only one I know of and they are not half the price of long tubes. I will let the rest of the world tell you why you dont' want shorty headers.
ok 1300 for the callaway c6 ones is a bit much. I was looking at c5 prices. Other then the obvious, that they make more power, it doesnt seem like anyone has really tried them. Too bad it doesnt appear they are resonably priced compared to the LTs
I cannot find any vendors with c6 shorty headers.. I have a couple of reasons I would like to go this route over the more powerful LTs (sound level with Bullets, high flow cats dont work really work all that well, half the price.. still 15whp gains) etc.)
...my other option would be the BB headers (I would rather go catless then high flows from past experience) to match up to the B&B PRT. Im assuming no one has had this setup... so I have no idea how loud it would be and if the center PRT section can tame the DBs at all.
Why waste the $$ on shortie headers?? I'm not being a jerk, I just don't think they make any real power for the expense.
you are correct, but there is some power to be made there, and it looks like it is roughly half the gains as with long tubes.. If the shorties were in the $600-700 range they would be a good alternative because you dont need to modify the cats and for the difference in price a ported intake manifold together with the shorties could make similiar gains to the long tubes... there wouldnt be any california smog issues here as the shorties would be carb approved the the LTs are not.
Originally Posted by Dgatto
Why waste the $$ on shortie headers?? I'm not being a jerk, I just don't think they make any real power for the expense.
I don't think they are CARB approved. Their web site states they shouldn't be a problem with tampering laws but does not state CARB approved. It's my understanding they are working on it.
I cannot find any vendors with c6 shorty headers.. I have a couple of reasons I would like to go this route over the more powerful LTs (sound level with Bullets, high flow cats dont work really work all that well, half the price.. still 15whp gains) etc.)
...my other option would be the BB headers (I would rather go catless then high flows from past experience) to match up to the B&B PRT. Im assuming no one has had this setup... so I have no idea how loud it would be and if the center PRT section can tame the DBs at all.
From previous posts the Callaway Short tubes are the ONLY CARB approved headers for the C6. If you want to stay legal (Read as pass Inspection) the Callaway shorties are your only choice.
All of us using LT headers are illegal in California and any other location that uses CARB rules. Hopefully your Inspection station doesn't insist on a strict visual inspection.
From previous posts the Callaway Short tubes are the ONLY CARB approved headers for the C6. If you want to stay legal (Read as pass Inspection) the Callaway shorties are your only choice.
All of us using LT headers are illegal in California and any other location that uses CARB rules. Hopefully your Inspection station doesn't insist on a strict visual inspection.
The car wont have to be smogged for quite sometime so I guess the legality is not to much of a problem... my biggest issue is retaining the PRT section on the bullets.. I dont want the catted x pipe, now if It was possible to shorten the PRT and relocate the stock cats, I might be intrested. Everyones opinion is bullets and headers = too loud.. but bullets, headers with the PRT might not be bad.. the bullets alone are not loud at all to me ( they do drone though)
The rule of thumb has always been; V8 motors have there best HP&TQ with 1 3/4-1 7/8inch X 32 inch long primaries. 1 3/4 giving the best all around street perf. 1 7/8 gives you a little more at the top end of the RPM scale. On C6's you're simply exchanging one exhaust manifold for another. Because the cats remain in the stock location. Anyone selling you shorties and claiming HP gains (Any) is sell you snake oil. $1300 for snake oil is alot of money. At least on the C5's, B&B and JBL shorties had a little longer primaries, because the cats were located down under the car,and they claimed 10 hp. If you're not doing long tubes, do nothing, Save your money.
Kooks now makes HF cats that hook up to the Corsa Touring H-pipe. It is similar to the PRT. The Bullets will mate up to the Corsa.
Are these HF cats a slip fit on one end? Couldnt I just adapt the PRT to accept the cats ( chop the bolt on end, slid and clamp the cats on.. bolt back up to the headers.. that would be the best solution as I already got a good priceo on the prt.