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Old Feb 27, 2007 | 11:10 AM
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1st off I live in a small country in the middle-east called Qatar. It’s very hot in here almost all year long (85 degree weather is normal here) with lots of humidity and sand every where I have a 2005 c6 auto. My vette is a daily driver; it's my only car right now. Anyways, I want to add power to it and I think forced induction is the way to go.

There are no shops here that are welling to do anything to a vette. So I will have to take my car to one of the near countries like UAE or Bahrain for the install. Because of that I want to buy everything myself from the net and I want to be sure that what I am doing is right other wise I am in deep hole. I can't just keep taking my car there every time I need something. So, this upgrade has to be a one time thing, Everything I need all at one go.

That said I am looking to make my car a 450hp at the wheel as a minimum. TT, supercharge, or heads and cam. Which ever way is fine by me as long as 2 things happen:

1.I want it to be my daily driver...
2.I can’t pay more than 12,000$ for the parts right now.

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Old Feb 27, 2007 | 12:08 PM
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7abeebi, tabi foog el 500rwhp? malik ghair el magnacharger!
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7abeebi, tabi foog el 500rwhp? malik ghair el magnacharger!
You 'took the words right out of my mouth.'
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Old Feb 27, 2007 | 03:05 PM
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I was told that the maggi is not good for our kinda of weather. Also, it's limited when it comes with power....

I also, wanted to know what should i get from a-z...Which means should i get headers, exhaust, intake, a cam....And what kind.

I don't want the shop which i'm getting to work on my car to lie or cheat me in anyway...Thanx for the help
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Old Feb 27, 2007 | 03:23 PM
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I was told that the maggi is not good for our kinda of weather. Also, it's limited when it comes with power....

I also, wanted to know what should i get from a-z...Which means should i get headers, exhaust, intake, a cam....And what kind.

I don't want the shop which i'm getting to work on my car to lie or cheat me in anyway...Thanx for the help
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Old Feb 27, 2007 | 05:03 PM
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Anyone else has an opinion. Any help would do thanx
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Old Feb 27, 2007 | 07:34 PM
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Get your bolt-ons on and come up with a good head & cam setup.. Make sure you improve the engine's breathing characteristics through intake and headers in order to get most out of the engine.. I've modded my car in Bahrain.. The 160 thermo makes a huge difference trust me.. Since you're an A4, you'll wanna install a torque converter that goes well with the powerband of your cam.. In our kinda weather I'd recommend you go big a big trans-cooler.. FI sounds like lotsa fun but its migh be a hasstle to maintain as a daily driver in the middle-east heat and lack of speed-shops & qualified tuners.. Mechanics in Bahrain though are top notch but the downside of that is that they're known for taking their time too!
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Old Feb 27, 2007 | 09:49 PM
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I guess your right about the heads and cam....ok i think i have made up my mind, i will get kooks headers, corsa sport exahust, 160 T. However i have some questions:

1. What kind of torque converter would be a good daily driven??? and should i get greas, too.
2. What kinda air intake should i get, which one is the best for dry hot weather??
3. what kinda heads would be good enough for 450+ rwhp
4. finally, what kinda of cam??? i want something that sounds good but nothing like oldschool cars. If the cam has too much rumble they will take my vette away for 1-3 months. I know what a law huh

Any help is welcome, again thanx guys your the best.
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Old Feb 27, 2007 | 10:31 PM
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Take a look at the LG L92 heads/cam package, it made 490 rwhp. You can easily make 450 rwhp with heads/cam, headers, Fast intake, and a CAI with a tune. Do the shops over there know how to do a tune on a head/cam engine? I'm betting LG could give you a mail order tune that would match their LG L92 H/C package.

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Take a look at the LG L92 heads/cam package, it made 490 rwhp. You can easily make 450 rwhp with heads/cam, headers, Fast intake, and a CAI with a tune. Do the shops over there know how to do a tune on a head/cam engine? I'm betting LG could give you a mail order tune that would match their LG L92 H/C package.

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This would be a better setup for a larger displacement engine when the loss in low end torque can be compensated.. I'd recommend heads with runners that are lower and 225, unless you have plans to change out your engine block sometime in the future.. There are many heads out there.. First of all, determine what your budget for heads is and then we can atleast ponpoint what heads category you can choose from.. Top of the line off-the-shelf heads are AFRs, ETPs, TrickFlows.. Then you've got the darts and patriot heads, and then you've got CNC ported GM cast heads.. The L92 heads combined with the L76 intake manifold seem like a promising combination although I still haven't gotten to see any real-world results in terms of 1/4 mile time, track times, 60' feet, mpg on a stock displacement LS2..

If you don't want your car to 'rumble', you can go with a higher lope on your cam (114 and higher).. This will result in your powerband kicking in at a higher rpm which will mean that you will benefit more out of a converter that will stall slightly higher than if you were going to go with a 112 LSA cam..

If you really wanna get those lil extra ponies out of your mods, arrange to get the heads and preferrably the intake manifold ported in the US before it gets shipped to you.. If you decide on both items at the same time, you can post threads to ask how to best port-match those two items together, which in my opinion will provide you with nice & cheap HP..
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Old Feb 28, 2007 | 01:20 AM
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Shops over here in Qatar don't know what a tune is
However, over at UAE or Bahrain I'm positive they do. I would just have to find the shop that can do the best job....

As far as heads and cam goes i think for the right reason i will go with that..Even though a 600rwhp TT or supercharger sounds good, i believe maintnance wise they would cuz lots of problems.......

What's the best heads and cam set up out there??? And how much rwhp and tq is it making?

And about torque converter which stall would be good for a daily driven car 3000/3500..
Also, what about gears i have 3.15 right now should i go for 3.42 or even 3.73.

About the money i have about 13,000$ to spend mybe a little more....And for atleast the next year this would be my only upgrade. However come next january i will be adding more Part i hope.........

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LG Package anyone..???
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Old Feb 28, 2007 | 04:23 AM
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LG Package anyone..???
LG package isnt' a bad idea.. I personally have one of LG's cams in my car and I also have their pro long-tube headers too although I got themindividually and not as part of a package..

The choice of torque converter will depend on the cam you go with in addition to a few other variables.. You'll need to study the cam specs and decide.. People generalyl followthe rule of getting a torque converter that stalls around 500 to 600 rpms more than the kick-in of the cam's powerband.. I went with a 3500 and I'm very happy with it.. Make sure you keep in mind that traction will become an issue since your call will be more suited for SOTP rather than rolling starts.. I'd recommend DRs but you'll only find em at hossier's if you'll planning on keeping your 19" rear rim..

There is no such thing as the BEST head/cam package.. It mainly depends on your goals, objective and last but not least.. Budget!!!

There are quite a few compitent tuners here in Bahrain..
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Old Feb 28, 2007 | 05:49 AM
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I guess i will be coming to Bahrain this weekend.....
Could you please help me with some shop names of phone #'s
I have never bein to bahrain so I need all the help i can get

Finally will an LG heads and cam, headers, intake, exhaust, Torque converter, tune, and labor....Be for less than 13,000$ Or do i have to save some more money?
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It should be more than enough.. Keep in mind though that shipping those items from the states won't be cheap!

Rough breakdown estimate would be

Headers $1,500
CAM $350
Heads could vary between $1,250 to $2,500
Torque Converter $700
CAI (Cold Air Intake) $350
Upgraded valvetrain components (Valves, spring, seals etc..) $400
Exhaust $1,000 (Not much power is gained there but it'll sound sweet)
Trans Cooler $60 (I paid more like $200 but I got a high capacity cooler with professional -6 A/N fittings with breaded steel pipes)
Labor is about $1,500

Modding is a mix-n-match thing.. Don't buy anything before knowing exactly what it's purpose is, how it'll affect the drivability of the car and how well it'll work with the other related parts.. With full bolt-ons and a good h/c package, you should be around 450rwhp.. Torque converter will kill the peak HP numbers on the dyno but who cares..?! You'll end up being faster on the street and that's where you'll be driving the car as opposed to on the dyno!
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Thanx for the help buddy.....i got everything you told me, and i agree on it...However, i wana know for street use which gears would be best 3.42/3,73.???

And it would be a lot cheaper if i order everything from one shop as a package don't you think???

Any shops can give me a deal on a heads and cam package???
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When you're in Bahrain we can have a more in-depth conversation about the matter.. I'm still on my 3.15 z51 gears and have slight problems with traction on street tires.. 3.42's would be a better diff ratio to use on an a4 than a 3.73.. With a 3.73 you'd be throwing your 1st gear outta the window if you wanted to use your car on the street and stomp it..
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This would be a better setup for a larger displacement engine when the loss in low end torque can be compensated.. I'd recommend heads with runners that are lower and 225, unless you have plans to change out your engine block sometime in the future.. There are many heads out there.. First of all, determine what your budget for heads is and then we can atleast ponpoint what heads category you can choose from.. Top of the line off-the-shelf heads are AFRs, ETPs, TrickFlows.. Then you've got the darts and patriot heads, and then you've got CNC ported GM cast heads.. The L92 heads combined with the L76 intake manifold seem like a promising combination although I still haven't gotten to see any real-world results in terms of 1/4 mile time, track times, 60' feet, mpg on a stock displacement LS2..

If you don't want your car to 'rumble', you can go with a higher lope on your cam (114 and higher).. This will result in your powerband kicking in at a higher rpm which will mean that you will benefit more out of a converter that will stall slightly higher than if you were going to go with a 112 LSA cam..

If you really wanna get those lil extra ponies out of your mods, arrange to get the heads and preferrably the intake manifold ported in the US before it gets shipped to you.. If you decide on both items at the same time, you can post threads to ask how to best port-match those two items together, which in my opinion will provide you with nice & cheap HP..
Excellent advice. The guys over on LS1tech.com really like the Trickflow heads.
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If you want to save money, don't buy a catback and spend your money on mods that make a difference... Here is my breakdown HP and $$$$

344 Stock
356 Honker intake $350-$400
391 AFR Heads $3389 (including install heads and cam)
Cheatr cam
423 Kooks headers $1800 (installed)
446 FAST intake/ported TB/tuning $800-$1000 installed it myself
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