Re; Ported Intake Manifold
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The problem with the FAST HP/$$ isn't the $705 cost of the manifold, add in the fuel rails/injectors, the cowl/firewall modification, the sensor relocation and the parts and labor for all the above. Even if you could do it yourself the parts add quite a bit to the cost.
The ported stock has no additional parts costs. Pay for the porting and shipping (or do it yourself) and you are done.
Guessing at $350 for a known porting job on a stock manifold (exchange) for 10 HP and $1200 ??for the FAST, fuel rails,injectors,cowl mod parts for 20HP.
Yes, I'd like the 20HP but $1200+ for the FAST installed compared to 10 HP @ $350 for the ported stock installed I'll vote with my wallet and go with the ported stock manifold. Retirement doesn't leave a lot of $$ on the table.
The ported stock has no additional parts costs. Pay for the porting and shipping (or do it yourself) and you are done.
Guessing at $350 for a known porting job on a stock manifold (exchange) for 10 HP and $1200 ??for the FAST, fuel rails,injectors,cowl mod parts for 20HP.
Yes, I'd like the 20HP but $1200+ for the FAST installed compared to 10 HP @ $350 for the ported stock installed I'll vote with my wallet and go with the ported stock manifold. Retirement doesn't leave a lot of $$ on the table.
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That is one AWESOME supercharged engine! However, I was worried about covering parts, that it would make them run hotter. I thought about the Alternator cover, but didn't want it to overheat. That carbon graphite cover looks great, but don't you think it would really hold in the heat? I went so far to remove my FRC's.
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That is one AWESOME supercharged engine! However, I was worried about covering parts, that it would make them run hotter. I thought about the Alternator cover, but didn't want it to overheat. That carbon graphite cover looks great, but don't you think it would really hold in the heat? I went so far to remove my FRC's.
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In both cases, its not that it isnt worth it but the math is:
Cost of a FAST (- minus) Cost of ported intake = the cost of the gains seen in LG's comparrison.
example: FAST ($705-texas speed) - (250? 350? ported manifold) = $350-$450 for 20 rwhp and 20 rwtq in the midband (not talking peak numbers)......Is that worth it, is the value question. I know someone will say that the FAST port will cost money but the sale of the LS2 will help which obviously you cant sell if you are porting and keeping it.
The two of you do realize that the graph I posted was a comparrison of ported LS2 to a ported FAST? It wasn't stock vs. FAST.
Cost of a FAST (- minus) Cost of ported intake = the cost of the gains seen in LG's comparrison.
example: FAST ($705-texas speed) - (250? 350? ported manifold) = $350-$450 for 20 rwhp and 20 rwtq in the midband (not talking peak numbers)......Is that worth it, is the value question. I know someone will say that the FAST port will cost money but the sale of the LS2 will help which obviously you cant sell if you are porting and keeping it.
The two of you do realize that the graph I posted was a comparrison of ported LS2 to a ported FAST? It wasn't stock vs. FAST.
http://texas-speed.com/shop/item.asp...d=240&catid=73
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I've been saving up money to get the intake manifold and throttle body
Ported by Jeremy formato. I have a couple of buddies who told me to do it with him. He just takes your intake manifold and replaces it with one that he already has thats ported my friend told me its like a 20 min install. He also told me everything comes down to about 450 bucks and he drops the price on the tune.
Ported by Jeremy formato. I have a couple of buddies who told me to do it with him. He just takes your intake manifold and replaces it with one that he already has thats ported my friend told me its like a 20 min install. He also told me everything comes down to about 450 bucks and he drops the price on the tune.
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That's good to hear, glad you watched the temps. Man, that is one great looking engine compartment and that's a beast of an engine! Great job.
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I've been saving up money to get the intake manifold and throttle body
Ported by Jeremy formato. I have a couple of buddies who told me to do it with him. He just takes your intake manifold and replaces it with one that he already has thats ported my friend told me its like a 20 min install. He also told me everything comes down to about 450 bucks and he drops the price on the tune.
Ported by Jeremy formato. I have a couple of buddies who told me to do it with him. He just takes your intake manifold and replaces it with one that he already has thats ported my friend told me its like a 20 min install. He also told me everything comes down to about 450 bucks and he drops the price on the tune.
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Thought I would throw this out for whatever it's worth. My car is at Lingenfelters now for the 427 package, which normally includes the FAST intake manifold. They told me that they have now had (4) cars with the FAST manifolds layered construction, start separating and causing them enormous problems. They say that they have re-designed the manifold for the FAST company, and they are working on that re-design now. I took their advice and had them port and de-burr my LS2 manifold for the package, and will return for the re-designed FAST manifold when it is tested, and ready for use. Just for your information...
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St. Jude Donor '06-'07-'08,'12-'13
Thought I would throw this out for whatever it's worth. My car is at Lingenfelters now for the 427 package, which normally includes the FAST intake manifold. They told me that they have now had (4) cars with the FAST manifolds layered construction, start separating and causing them enormous problems. They say that they have re-designed the manifold for the FAST company, and they are working on that re-design now. I took their advice and had them port and de-burr my LS2 manifold for the package, and will return for the re-designed FAST manifold when it is tested, and ready for use. Just for your information...
LPE Told me the same
also thay are getting verry close to the same gains as the origonal fast intake . By porting the ls2 one
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Thought I would throw this out for whatever it's worth. My car is at Lingenfelters now for the 427 package, which normally includes the FAST intake manifold. They told me that they have now had (4) cars with the FAST manifolds layered construction, start separating and causing them enormous problems. They say that they have re-designed the manifold for the FAST company, and they are working on that re-design now. I took their advice and had them port and de-burr my LS2 manifold for the package, and will return for the re-designed FAST manifold when it is tested, and ready for use. Just for your information...
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St. Jude Donor '08-'09-'10-'11
It would be just as idiotic to compare cams only on the performance gains at 3000rpm.....the stocker would be the better value then compared to changing to a 232 LG cam then. So why would you compare intake manifolds based on peak numbers at only one rpm where peak occurs?
Funny thing: The FAST falls on it face over 6400 so lets compare bone stock to a ported FAST at 6500. No one would buy one....they're dead even.
Last edited by SpinMonster; Mar 18, 2007 at 11:58 PM.
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St. Jude Donor '08-'09-'10-'11
The graph shows 20 and 20 over the LS2 not 10 over the LS2. Stop reducing it to peak numbers to make the LS2 purchase swallow easier.
For the record, 20rwhp and 20 rwtq is worth 1000 over the LS2 since headers hardly do better for 50% more.
If you investigate further the ported FAST in maxed out applications does 30rwhp and 30 rwtq over stock in the midband. It is one of the best bangs for the buck.
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St. Jude Donor '08-'09-'10-'11
I'll beleive that
when I see it tested. They are protecting the reputation of a fine shop by not using what is definitely a variable in a product. I have owned 2 FASTS since they came out and have had zero issues.Someone with this package in NY meet with me over at Lizzard racing wherre I can rent dyno time. We will dyno, remove the LS2 ported and put on my FAST and re-dyno. That will settle the non-sense. Same day, same dyno, same mecanic (ME), no tuner egos, and no variables in weather. I wont even touch the tune which is optimized to the LS2.
Overlay the curves and look at the midband AND peak numbers. LG is a respected tuner with no axe to grind in their 2 services in porting the LS2 or selling a FAST. They themselves did the work and shared the results. They are wrong? BY THAT MUCH???!!! Lingenfelter is right and the graph showing the differences in the 2 optioons is ficticious?
Last edited by SpinMonster; Mar 19, 2007 at 12:21 AM.
