Never enough power question
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St. Jude Donor '08
I don't think you should go with the fast Intake because as far as I know they cut a hole in your firewall. That's why I didn't put that Intake on my car. My advise to you is go with the gears 410 because you have a 6 speed and as you say you want to go fast from 0-120 and gears are the best way to do that. Good Luck!
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St. Jude Donor '08
I am not looking to go too radical, maybe a cam in the future, but definitely the fast 90 ported. That's in one week..
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ok I am al ears ranger
^^^^ Just about every time I go to the track there is a Corvette there with big time power and a driver who is inexperienced at harnessing that power. Result is he is beaten by everyone and their dogs with 100 fewer horsepower.
Same thing happens on the street. You don't have to watch very many StreetFire match race vids to appreciate that three shifts alone can drop the slow shifter 6-9 car-lengths behind the less powerful car. Lot of vids of Corvettes being humiliated by better drivers in lesser cars.
So I do point out from time to time that it's prudent to invest some effort and study on the driving component of acceleration.
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Same thing happens on the street. You don't have to watch very many StreetFire match race vids to appreciate that three shifts alone can drop the slow shifter 6-9 car-lengths behind the less powerful car. Lot of vids of Corvettes being humiliated by better drivers in lesser cars.
So I do point out from time to time that it's prudent to invest some effort and study on the driving component of acceleration.
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Proper shift points versus (1) short-shifting them or (2) hitting the rev-limiter are worth one-three car lengths per shift. The fast driver knows that and attains proper shift points. The average driver has average shift points. the deficit grows by an additional 4-12 car-lengths (4 shifts).
Between the shifts, the more powerful car may make up some of that deficit, but rarely enough.
Not many races of any kind are done without shifts. And, of course, in some venues the cars need to be launched too, further adding to the imbalance.
So driving knowledge, experience and practice add up to many more car lengths of difference in race outcomes than can be won back by bumping horsepower.
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St. Jude Donor '06
I knew that you could not hold off
If you are having problems driving & feel you need to learn the shifting of your car,Dont get anymore mods until your are comfortable with the current mods now.By adding more power(gears,or fast)will make it alot more difficult to control...Keep what you have for now bill,and do lots of driving this summer.You will know when you are ready for more power.Maybe than you might beat me..
We could go on Pinks ?? I could use another car 
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St. Jude Donor '08
A fast-shifting driver completes the 1-2, 2-3, 3-4 in 200 milliseconds. The 4-5 in 250-300 millisecond. A slow-shifting driver will take twice as long (at least) per shift. The difference is the slow-shifter will drop back 2-3 car lengths per shift. In your chosen race, there are four shifts and an 8-12 car-length deficit.
Proper shift points versus (1) short-shifting them or (2) hitting the rev-limiter are worth one-three car lengths per shift. The fast driver knows that and attains proper shift points. The average driver has average shift points. the deficit grows by an additional 4-12 car-lengths (4 shifts).
Between the shifts, the more powerful car may make up some of that deficit, but rarely enough.
Not many races of any kind are done without shifts. And, of course, in some venues the cars need to be launched too, further adding to the imbalance.
So driving knowledge, experience and practice add up to many more car lengths of difference in race outcomes than can be won back by bumping horsepower.
Ranger
Proper shift points versus (1) short-shifting them or (2) hitting the rev-limiter are worth one-three car lengths per shift. The fast driver knows that and attains proper shift points. The average driver has average shift points. the deficit grows by an additional 4-12 car-lengths (4 shifts).
Between the shifts, the more powerful car may make up some of that deficit, but rarely enough.
Not many races of any kind are done without shifts. And, of course, in some venues the cars need to be launched too, further adding to the imbalance.
So driving knowledge, experience and practice add up to many more car lengths of difference in race outcomes than can be won back by bumping horsepower.
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My hope is that the DVD project will provide owners a practical and efficient way to quickly learn the techniques for max acceleration. The key ingredients to that process are video and audio of all the discrete elements. The sight and sound fill in the crucial dimensions missing from a word picture on the www.
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St. Jude Donor '08
Thanks, welcome2try.
My hope is that the DVD project will provide owners a practical and efficient way to quickly learn the techniques for max acceleration. The key ingredients to that process are video and audio of all the discrete elements. The sight and sound fill in the crucial dimensions missing from a word picture on the www.
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My hope is that the DVD project will provide owners a practical and efficient way to quickly learn the techniques for max acceleration. The key ingredients to that process are video and audio of all the discrete elements. The sight and sound fill in the crucial dimensions missing from a word picture on the www.
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.......showin' your age bro.
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4.10's are a great gear, don't get me wrong. I've had them before in the past, but they just weren't great ,for me, as an everyday driver. I had a 99 SS 6spd with both 4.10's and then went to 3.73's. My brother has an 02 WS6 6sp with 4.10's. The only difference in the cars was, besides the gears, I had Corsa and he has Borla. We are pretty equal drivers, however he would take me off the line and I would pass him up top.
I guess with a propper launch, with in the powerband of the cam, and the addition of 3.90's it won't get you "moving" faster and top end won't be any different from the stock gears. And there is NO difference in top end between the 3.90's and 4.10's
Does that sound better
John
I guess with a propper launch, with in the powerband of the cam, and the addition of 3.90's it won't get you "moving" faster and top end won't be any different from the stock gears. And there is NO difference in top end between the 3.90's and 4.10's
Does that sound better John
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) Id be willing to go on pinks but im not giving you the 15 lenghts..
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Now my secret is out
The only thing pink you know is.........well go
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A fast-shifting driver completes the 1-2, 2-3, 3-4 in 200 milliseconds. The 4-5 in 250-300 millisecond. A slow-shifting driver will take twice as long (at least) per shift. The difference is the slow-shifter will drop back 2-3 car lengths per shift. In your chosen race, there are four shifts and an 8-12 car-length deficit.
Proper shift points versus (1) short-shifting them or (2) hitting the rev-limiter are worth one-three car lengths per shift. The fast driver knows that and attains proper shift points. The average driver has average shift points. the deficit grows by an additional 4-12 car-lengths (4 shifts).
Between the shifts, the more powerful car may make up some of that deficit, but rarely enough.
Not many races of any kind are done without shifts. And, of course, in some venues the cars need to be launched too, further adding to the imbalance.
So driving knowledge, experience and practice add up to many more car lengths of difference in race outcomes than can be won back by bumping horsepower.
Ranger
Proper shift points versus (1) short-shifting them or (2) hitting the rev-limiter are worth one-three car lengths per shift. The fast driver knows that and attains proper shift points. The average driver has average shift points. the deficit grows by an additional 4-12 car-lengths (4 shifts).
Between the shifts, the more powerful car may make up some of that deficit, but rarely enough.
Not many races of any kind are done without shifts. And, of course, in some venues the cars need to be launched too, further adding to the imbalance.
So driving knowledge, experience and practice add up to many more car lengths of difference in race outcomes than can be won back by bumping horsepower.
Ranger