Never enough power question
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St. Jude Donor '06
Never enough power question
I have the Trick Flow Heads 225 in my C6 with a Comp Cam 224/230. I did not want alot of burble and rocking and this set up was pefect. The Dyno numbers corrected were 453 RWHP with 420 torque. The band is huge from 3500 rpm and up but.......whats the next step for some more power. Fast Intake ? Ported throttle body ?? forget the pully do not really want to tear down the engine again. Procharger is alittle too much $$
Power input would help guys Thanks
Power input would help guys Thanks
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Ported Fast/TB and gears. I believe those will really make your car an insane street machine. That's pretty much your best bet other then going NO2, FI, or cubes.
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St. Jude Donor '08
But for you didn't mention if it was (4 speed auto 05 coupe) or 6 speed. 4.10 gears would be too much gear for the auto..But 4.10's would be best bang if you have the 6 speed.
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St. Jude Donor '06
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He has the 6 speed Cameron,but the EMT runcraps.Do you recommend the 390's with these tires or go 410s with the hoosier street tires.Hes also running the wider z06 tires.
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St. Jude Donor '06-'07-'08
Not sure if you have a C.A.I., Long Tubes, X pipe, and Exhaust. If you don't, I'd add all that to the list along with the F.A.S.T. and the P.TB. Then I would throw in a Stage 3 DTE with 3.90's and a Textralia 0Z700. Then I would sell the C.A.I. and do a forged low compression 402 with either an ECS set up or scrap it all and do a twin turbo set up
I am going to do the 402 with the Trick Flow heads, add the clutch and rear end, and do the rear widebody conversion and call it a day
Have fun
John
I am going to do the 402 with the Trick Flow heads, add the clutch and rear end, and do the rear widebody conversion and call it a day
Have fun
John
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St. Jude Donor '06
fast numbers
does the fast intake with my set up help the lower end numbers ? I am more concerned with my 0 to 120 numbers. My car pulls better at higher end then lower end. The smaller cam is probably the reason for this ??
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With that cam, you should hit your powerband at ~2200-2400 rpms up to the 6000's. I would not say it is the the cam. If you have the cai, headers, etc., I would say the intake/tb would be a wise investment. The quicker/more efficient you can get the air in and out...the better! Another benefit for low end would be the higher gears. I would say 3.90's will get you going faster and shouldn't affect your top end like 4.10's will.
In my fully built automatic car, I had heads/cam/headers/etc. etc. and it was a dog out of the hole. I would pull hard as all get out up top though. I added a 3200 stall with 3.73's and it was a rocket out of the hole and still had good top end. Just my .02.
John
In my fully built automatic car, I had heads/cam/headers/etc. etc. and it was a dog out of the hole. I would pull hard as all get out up top though. I added a 3200 stall with 3.73's and it was a rocket out of the hole and still had good top end. Just my .02.
John
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With that cam, you should hit your powerband at ~2200-2400 rpms up to the 6000's. I would not say it is the the cam. If you have the cai, headers, etc., I would say the intake/tb would be a wise investment. The quicker/more efficient you can get the air in and out...the better! Another benefit for low end would be the higher gears. I would say 3.90's will get you going faster and shouldn't affect your top end like 4.10's will.
In my fully built automatic car, I had heads/cam/headers/etc. etc. and it was a dog out of the hole. I would pull hard as all get out up top though. I added a 3200 stall with 3.73's and it was a rocket out of the hole and still had good top end. Just my .02.
John
In my fully built automatic car, I had heads/cam/headers/etc. etc. and it was a dog out of the hole. I would pull hard as all get out up top though. I added a 3200 stall with 3.73's and it was a rocket out of the hole and still had good top end. Just my .02.
John
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St. Jude Donor '08
The C6 base coupe has the taller (numerically lower) ratio of the Z-51.
Z-51 / base c6
1st 2.97 / 2.66
2nd 2.07 / 1.78
3rd 1.43 / 1.30
4th 1.00 / 1.00
5th .71 / .74
6th .57 / .50
clearly the 4.10's would be the right choice, and just ask spinmonster, he did over 200mph with 4.10's. Top speed is not affected with 4.10's on his 05 c6 Z-51.. Be back later .
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St. Jude Donor '06
I have the F55
Definitely the hoosiers bob, he should also go with the 4.10's since he will have traction. As you may know the Z-51 6mz has different gear ratios that the base 6mn coupe. With 4.10's in his coupe, it will feel like 3.90's in a Z-51 6mz. And since I have the 4.10's and kdw 2's there are no traction issues.
The C6 base coupe has the taller (numerically lower) ratio of the Z-51.
Z-51 / base c6
1st 2.97 / 2.66
2nd 2.07 / 1.78
3rd 1.43 / 1.30
4th 1.00 / 1.00
5th .71 / .74
6th .57 / .50
clearly the 4.10's would be the right choice, and just ask spinmonster, he did over 200mph with 4.10's. Top speed is not affected with 4.10's on his 05 c6 Z-51.. Be back later .
The C6 base coupe has the taller (numerically lower) ratio of the Z-51.
Z-51 / base c6
1st 2.97 / 2.66
2nd 2.07 / 1.78
3rd 1.43 / 1.30
4th 1.00 / 1.00
5th .71 / .74
6th .57 / .50
clearly the 4.10's would be the right choice, and just ask spinmonster, he did over 200mph with 4.10's. Top speed is not affected with 4.10's on his 05 c6 Z-51.. Be back later .
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I don't think you should go with the fast Intake because as far as I know they cut a hole in your firewall. That's why I didn't put that Intake on my car. My advise to you is go with the gears 410 because you have a 6 speed and as you say you want to go fast from 0-120 and gears are the best way to do that. Good Luck!
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I don't think you should go with the fast Intake because as far as I know they cut a hole in your firewall. That's why I didn't put that Intake on my car. My advise to you is go with the gears 410 because you have a 6 speed and as you say you want to go fast from 0-120 and gears are the best way to do that. Good Luck!
Installing the LPE firewall kit will be "NO" problem. As long as the installer is qualified it will look like it came from the factory. You can look at it and never know.
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Ok if they came out with a kit maybe it looks good, but I still think that gears are better because gears work right off the line. The fast Intake is not going to come on like gears do right out of the hole. That's why I think gears are the best solution.
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Might be, the best investment you can make is mastering the current power before adding more.
Just a thought.
Ranger
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Originally Posted by Ranger
par34n5, have you measured the acceleration you get from your car now in it's current state? If so, what are the current numbers?
Might be, the best investment you can make is mastering the current power before adding more.
Just a thought.
Ranger
Might be, the best investment you can make is mastering the current power before adding more.
Just a thought.
Ranger
J/K I do agree.
But even after he does learn how to drive. He may still want more power. So we'll give him a list of mods that he can keep handy until then.
SPIN!!!!
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^^^^ Just about every time I go to the track there is a Corvette there with big time power and a driver who is inexperienced at harnessing that power. Result is he is beaten by everyone and their dogs with 100 fewer horsepower.
Same thing happens on the street. You don't have to watch very many StreetFire match race vids to appreciate that three shifts alone can drop the slow shifter 6-9 car-lengths behind the less powerful car. Lot of vids of Corvettes being humiliated by better drivers in lesser cars.
So I do point out from time to time that it's prudent to invest some effort and study on the driving component of acceleration.
Ranger
Same thing happens on the street. You don't have to watch very many StreetFire match race vids to appreciate that three shifts alone can drop the slow shifter 6-9 car-lengths behind the less powerful car. Lot of vids of Corvettes being humiliated by better drivers in lesser cars.
So I do point out from time to time that it's prudent to invest some effort and study on the driving component of acceleration.
Ranger