plain and simple a lot of these guys have tune which supposedly removed TM. so why such lousy 60 ft times.

 

I used to think my tuner had disabled TM....then I was able to try out a beta version of HPT with some additional features. HUGE difference. Me and High Roller are the only I know of who have used the beta version and removed TM. I'm sure there are more, but we're the only two I know of.

On the current official version of HPT (and also in LS2Edit) you can "disable" TM in several places, making you think that you have, in fact, removed it. But that's not the case. Trust me - the car now shifts scary aggressive. As High pointed out, there may still be an issue with TM from a standstill. I didn't turn off TM at "idle", but if my times dont improve on the 60' but they do overall, I'll try that switch as well.

I haven't made it to the track since I made the change (just last weekend), but my best time was:

R/T .027
60 1.87
330 5.162
1/8 7.822
mph 93.82
1000 10.084
1/4 11.991
mph 118.76

I'll be going within the next week, that should be a good comparison.

 

of course it can be relaxed. Julio and Dave of Cartek told me it cant be totally removed. and the use all tuning aids. your 60 fts show that it cant no mater what you use. i have been a 1.588 60 ft and i can still feel it and it shows up further on the run

 

as I've posted I also had the tm delete done from the beta version of HP Tuners by Larry at SpeedInc... Haven't tracked it but very noticeable difference especailly on the shifts

 

[QUOTE=greentank;1561966828]I used to think my tuner had disabled TM....then I was able to try out a beta version of HPT with some additional features. HUGE difference. Me and High Roller are the only I know of who have used the beta version and removed TM. I'm sure there are more, but we're the only two I know of.

On the current official version of HPT (and also in LS2Edit) you can "disable" TM in several places, making you think that you have, in fact, removed it. But that's not the case. Trust me - the car now shifts scary aggressive. As High pointed out, there may still be an issue with TM from a standstill. I didn't turn off TM at "idle", but if my times dont improve on the 60' but they do overall, I'll try that switch as well.

I agree that many feel there tuners have disabled TM in there tunes which they might have relaxed it as Dennis has said but IMO just a few members have the latest 2.1.19 TM removal which is very noticable and a incredible experience in a good way on the 1-2 shift and 2-3 shift with the shifts being neck snapping and the tires just spinning!LOL I am very curious about this TM at idle you mention i would like to see you turn the TM at idle off before you go back to the track again to see if the power comes on right away from a launch.

 

[QUOTE=High Roller1;1561968503]the 60 ft will tell the story. than after that if tm came in you will see with a better 60ft a slower et

 

Isn't it ironic that all you guys complain about wheel spin killing your 60' times... but GM gives you a high tech TM modulation and you're still not happy!

Just ing with you...

 

Can somebody please answer my question

 

ok, without trying to stir up the debate once again i will attempt to answer as best i can.

torque management or otherwise known as tm is a 'function' that is rumored (this is where the debate begin) to exist in both the automatic and manual transmission corvettes (among other vehicles). Tm is generally understood to limit the amount of torque applied to the driveline for a variety of reasons, from powertrain longevity to assistance in providing efficient power application. TM is usually regarded as a method by which the 'system' modulates the production of power regardless of driver input. Tm is believed to be achieved through a variety of methods ranging from throttle position, spark advance, etc. etc. any number of engine controls via the computer. the best example of tm is the traction control explanation, even though they are not the same, similiar but not the same. the driver can turn off tc but cannot turn off tm or thus it appears. hence my question about the 'mode' button. tm exhibits the same 'type' of behavior as tc. with tc, when wheel slip is detected the computer steps in and reduces the power to the rear wheels, the same 'concept' applies to tm. with tm, when the computer detects that a specific power output threshold has been exceeded it (tm) steps in and reduces response, apparently in both shift and power output.

greentank,
any news on the the 'mode' button test? does it still work? does it work as it did when it came from the factory after the latest tm delete?
do you notice a difference when you select 'all off'?

 

your geting close Jim. the traction control works when button on and no traction control when its off. tm has no button. it doesnt work when spinning it works when not spinning and it is controled by the drivers input thats how ranger drives around it. and thats how i drive around it on the starting line its been relaxed on my shifts

 

i'm not jim, i'm zig.
correct, tm doesn't have a button, however i haven't seen too many comments comparing the difference between the two modes (all off vs tm delete, although one usually 'tunes' when tm delete is done).
agreed, that's the theory.

 

sorry zig every time i see that avatar i keep calling you by your gang name your right once its relaxed its relaxed but the traction and active handling buttons still work

 

oh no, an alias...

 

Zig:

Yes, Traction Control and Active Handling both work with TM disabled...and a good thing, too. They definitely come into play more often.

I think TM is as much about safety as it is about wear and tear. Maybe moreso. I never spent much time thinking about why a 400+ HP car wouldn't be spinning the rear tires more (back when my car was mostly stock), but now that I feel the lack of TM, it is clear to me what was happening....and why.

Think of fraction of a second when the car powershifts into 2nd, or shifts from 1st to 2nd, while you're on a light onramp curve or in-town 90degree turn. I never had many worries about losing it when the car shifted, even under heavier throttle. The tires might lightly break, but traction control and active handling would easily save the day. Now I see that TM provided those systems with additional aide. Without TM, those systems are more, well, "overwhelmed" is what I would say. They work, but whatever trouble you were getting into before they kicked in before, you get MORE into without TM.

Now, a Viper owner would probably understand completely, considering they have none of these newfangled things, and 500+ HP. That's also the reason that 13% or so new vipers don't make it home safetly from the dealership (or so I heard).

I now have to be very cautious driving my car - especially since it's an auto and the CAR usually decides when to shift, not me. Moderate throttle is not a big deal (though you can still feel the lack of TM), more aggressive throttle, and you need to be ready for anything. And it will make you think twice before letting people drive your car, when you wouldn't have before.

This is sort of a case of being careful what you wish for...I like it now, but will definitely be turning it back on when its colder.

 

it actually works better off.
and the tires will work in cold weather at 24lbs hot. when you set outside at a store or work and its cold, tire pressure will drop to 21-22 lbs, dont jump on it or drive crazy till tires warm up to the 24-25 lbs and you are fine. i have driven and owned many fast cars with out tc and ah. never a problem. i pulled out with the c6 jumped on it at a light car went sideways i corrected, went the other way i corrected, this went on for 30 times in a matter of a couple seconds, almost hit the center concrete barrier. and i lifted and was not under power and couldn't get it straight. it went back and fourth so violently i got light headed, dizzy, shaking baby syndrome. finally the front went to the right the *** end was ready to slide into the concrete barrier, i floored it it shot to the right, i decelerated and straightened it out. i turned active handling and traction control off pulled to next light and smoked the guy. i tried it again with it on and it happened again so now its always the first thing i do after starting the car turn it off. i have said this before its like abs if you hold your brake to the floor it works great. if you pump you wreck. active handling if you steer to correct witch is second nature you wreck

 

What would happen if you swaped to a totally new computer for the car, say from the C5, then programmed it like you would if you had swapped an LS2 into the C5? Would that remove the tps and TM completely?

 

if all the pin connectors were the same. i bet you could put the whole c5 harness and ecm

 

i always turn off a/h and t/c. wife keeps them on, i keep them off, just wish the driver settings would remember the mode.

 

that would be great