A6 Adaptive Programming - Paddle Shifters come in!
09-28-2007, 09:29 PM
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09-28-2007, 09:56 PM
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Does this learning stay seperate between two drivers?
That would be really nice (was thinking the same) but am 99.9% sure that it does NOT stay separate. That's only for seating and mirror adjusments.
That would be really nice (was thinking the same) but am 99.9% sure that it does NOT stay separate. That's only for seating and mirror adjusments.
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09-29-2007, 05:23 PM
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Thanks for the info, I'm definitely giving it shot.
09-29-2007, 11:27 PM
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Since paddle-mode is only available in S it would be a problem having it learn in S. Putz-ing around town or on the highway with the paddles would cause the shift points to relearn a slower mode defeating the objective.
I always drive in S as the paddles are available at a click. The only time I have had my car in D (in almost two years) is to force S out of paddle-mode and back into full auto.
I haven't had time to test its learning ability but I'm hoping it works.
--Dan
09-30-2007, 11:36 AM
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I thought that as well but giving it some more thought I decided that it is best that it learn in D and then when moved to S your "learned shift behavior" is captured and not altered even when you drive slowly in S -- with or without the paddles (if that is what actually happens.)
Since paddle-mode is only available in S it would be a problem having it learn in S. Putz-ing around town or on the highway with the paddles would cause the shift points to relearn a slower mode defeating the objective.
I always drive in S as the paddles are available at a click. The only time I have had my car in D (in almost two years) is to force S out of paddle-mode and back into full auto.
I haven't had time to test its learning ability but I'm hoping it works.
--Dan
Since paddle-mode is only available in S it would be a problem having it learn in S. Putz-ing around town or on the highway with the paddles would cause the shift points to relearn a slower mode defeating the objective.
I always drive in S as the paddles are available at a click. The only time I have had my car in D (in almost two years) is to force S out of paddle-mode and back into full auto.
I haven't had time to test its learning ability but I'm hoping it works.
--Dan
Only use D to shift back into full-auto after using the paddles. Mine isn't past the 500 mile mark yet, so there hasn't been any real "teaching" yet.This page: http://www.maxchevy.com/features/2007/ii_3-trans-1.html has some good info on our A6 along with some specs. They only hint at the learning capabilities.
09-30-2007, 03:43 PM
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The only time mine ever sees drive is to get out of paddle mode. Today I took it to school and hopefully it learned something. Tommorow mornings cool temps will reveal what grade I'll give this bit of info.
10-01-2007, 07:17 PM
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Tested this out. Gave some good WOT for the 1st to 2nd and the 2nd to 3rd in D. Then in sport I noticed the shifts quicker and smoother both in paddle mode and non paddle mode. In fact my paddle shift from 2nd into 3rd was a bit sluggish and now it is fine. Interesting.
10-01-2007, 07:26 PM
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10-02-2007, 02:55 AM
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10-02-2007, 06:24 AM
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10-02-2007, 07:15 AM
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Thx007, wonder if you could run this by the tech. I have a 300C with the 'bump stick' automatic shifting. The 300C's pcm is 'adaptive' as well. Gentle driving in heavy traffic produces soft/long shifting in automatic and when 'bumping' the shifter in manual mode. Over time more aggressive driving produces firmer shifting.
I bring this up because it was discovered that by pulling fuse #20 for a minute the PCM cleared or reset it's learning. This put it back to "factory" settings which are fairly aggressive. Pulling the fuse in other words, is a quick shortcut to reset the cars learned shifting behavior. I wouldn't call it dramatic, but the effect is pronounced if the car has been driven in heavy traffic for several days.
So a question for the tech when you see him if your interested, is there a similar PCM (or whatever module controls this behavior) fuse in the Corvette? I would think disconnecting the battery for a few minutes would accomplish a similar objective, but pulling a fuse is simpler.
Excuse the length, thanks for the info, I'll give it a try. Your post made me think of this effect with the 300C and leaves me a bit curious. I'm also left wondering if any tuners/builders have an opinion on this?
I bring this up because it was discovered that by pulling fuse #20 for a minute the PCM cleared or reset it's learning. This put it back to "factory" settings which are fairly aggressive. Pulling the fuse in other words, is a quick shortcut to reset the cars learned shifting behavior. I wouldn't call it dramatic, but the effect is pronounced if the car has been driven in heavy traffic for several days.
So a question for the tech when you see him if your interested, is there a similar PCM (or whatever module controls this behavior) fuse in the Corvette? I would think disconnecting the battery for a few minutes would accomplish a similar objective, but pulling a fuse is simpler.
Excuse the length, thanks for the info, I'll give it a try. Your post made me think of this effect with the 300C and leaves me a bit curious. I'm also left wondering if any tuners/builders have an opinion on this?
10-02-2007, 09:39 AM
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That sounds about right. At the beginning, I usually stayed in D and drove aggressively most of the time. I installed the Corsa Xtremes and started to use the paddles 100% to enjoy the sound of the exhaust. At 8K miles the solenoid and valve body was replaced because it would not downshift into 1st. Now the shifts are sluggish again using the paddles. I’ve been aggressively using the paddles for about 2 weeks with no change. I guess it’s back to D mode for tranny school. Thanks…………
10-02-2007, 08:18 PM
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After Cartek tuned my A6, it doesn't matter whether I'm in D or S, the car is a "beast" !!! It actually "leaps" forward and lays rubber between 1st and 2nd. Bad news is - I need new rear tires. I can't keep them from breaking loose. Think I'm going toward Nitto - INVO's for better traction.
10-03-2007, 08:32 AM
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Very interesting post. I've had my 06 A6 for a year and a half now. I did notice that it seemed to shift more aggressively in D than S. However, 90% of the time I drive it I go in S. Mainly so that if I want to shift I can. I'll have to go back to D for a while & see if I notice any difference. When I go to the track I only run in S because it'll start in first & I let it shift for itself....
10-03-2007, 10:28 AM
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Thx007, wonder if you could run this by the tech. I have a 300C with the 'bump stick' automatic shifting. The 300C's pcm is 'adaptive' as well. Gentle driving in heavy traffic produces soft/long shifting in automatic and when 'bumping' the shifter in manual mode. Over time more aggressive driving produces firmer shifting.
I bring this up because it was discovered that by pulling fuse #20 for a minute the PCM cleared or reset it's learning. This put it back to "factory" settings which are fairly aggressive. Pulling the fuse in other words, is a quick shortcut to reset the cars learned shifting behavior. I wouldn't call it dramatic, but the effect is pronounced if the car has been driven in heavy traffic for several days.
So a question for the tech when you see him if your interested, is there a similar PCM (or whatever module controls this behavior) fuse in the Corvette? I would think disconnecting the battery for a few minutes would accomplish a similar objective, but pulling a fuse is simpler.
Excuse the length, thanks for the info, I'll give it a try. Your post made me think of this effect with the 300C and leaves me a bit curious. I'm also left wondering if any tuners/builders have an opinion on this?
I bring this up because it was discovered that by pulling fuse #20 for a minute the PCM cleared or reset it's learning. This put it back to "factory" settings which are fairly aggressive. Pulling the fuse in other words, is a quick shortcut to reset the cars learned shifting behavior. I wouldn't call it dramatic, but the effect is pronounced if the car has been driven in heavy traffic for several days.
So a question for the tech when you see him if your interested, is there a similar PCM (or whatever module controls this behavior) fuse in the Corvette? I would think disconnecting the battery for a few minutes would accomplish a similar objective, but pulling a fuse is simpler.
Excuse the length, thanks for the info, I'll give it a try. Your post made me think of this effect with the 300C and leaves me a bit curious. I'm also left wondering if any tuners/builders have an opinion on this?