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Old Oct 26, 2007 | 06:37 PM
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not completely true....there still has to be suffecient HP there to propel the car to that MPH within that distance.Most of the folks who hit the 118-121MPH range in the 1/4 have an excess of 400rwhp in the C6. Having that much more than stock rwhp can cause poor 60fts due to excessive wheel spin.You don't really gain alot of MPH or ET by spinning,except with the issue of TM. TM is not applied until the car "hooks" and then pulls timing(14 degrees for .3 every shift), so in his case,with no tune, the better 60 would not have the same effect on improving his ET, as he listed, in fact, the contrary as if he hooked better, TM would be applied more by the stock tune, decreasing his ET and MPH. The % of TM applied is the same as in the LS2, but there is more of a penalty due to the LS3 having more torque than the LS2.IMO, and I may be wrong, but I'd belive you'd need minimal of a tune and possibly 410-415RWHP to get to 119 in the 1/4 with the other mods he states.
Well, my A6 trapped 117 with a 1.86 on runflats. Had I spun, I think it would have been a little higher. Now granted, I have headers, but it's also an LS2. So I'm guessing we are somewhere in the same neighborhood. I have no tune or anything like that.

Regardless, I could honestly care less if the guy is lying or not. I mean, come on, should we really worry about someone who has to lie to impress an internet crowd?

I will say that I think an A6 LS3 should be a low 12, high 11 second car. I agree that his MPH seems a little out of line, but his 60s are miserable for an auto, so once he brings those to some sort of real number, that should be a better barometer to what he may run in the future.
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Well, my A6 trapped 117 with a 1.86 on runflats. Had I spun, I think it would have been a little higher. Now granted, I have headers, but it's also an LS2. So I'm guessing we are somewhere in the same neighborhood. I have no tune or anything like that.

Regardless, I could honestly care less if the guy is lying or not. I mean, come on, should we really worry about someone who has to lie to impress an internet crowd?

I will say that I think an A6 LS3 should be a low 12, high 11 second car. I agree that his MPH seems a little out of line, but his 60s are miserable for an auto, so once he brings those to some sort of real number, that should be a better barometer to what he may run in the future.
not true
60 ft.1.665 mph 115.55 60 ft 1.612 mph 117.21 60 ft 1.60 mph 117.03 same night
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Maybe your trap was so high because your 60's were so terrible.
I believe that is exactly why his traps were so high and alluded to this earlier.

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Old Oct 26, 2007 | 07:39 PM
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I believe that is exactly why his traps were so high.
Could be I guess Ill find out tonight when I launch harder.

I was launching from idle and flooring it slowly over about two seconds. Each run I did it a little quicker. Tonight Ill continue that process. I just didnt get enough runs in last time, it was the first time I ever raced a vette let alone RWD car.

Guys I have no reason to lie, no products to sell. All I can do is keep posting my slips/vids and invite others to watch me run.
Old Oct 26, 2007 | 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 11secondGP
Could be I guess Ill find out tonight when I launch harder.

I was launching from idle and flooring it slowly over about two seconds. Each run I did it a little quicker. Tonight Ill continue that process. I just didnt get enough runs in last time, it was the first time I ever raced a vette let alone RWD car.

Guys I have no reason to lie, no products to sell. All I can do is keep posting my slips/vids and invite others to watch me run.
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not true
60 ft.1.665 mph 115.55 60 ft 1.612 mph 117.21 60 ft 1.60 mph 117.03 same night
We can argue instances back and forth forever. One night I did this, one night I did that. It's a pretty well spread theory that wheelspin often leads to higher traps.

I've seen alot of funny things at the track, hell, I saw grandmas FWD SC buick with some DRs and a 75 shot going mid 12's.

I don't think anything at the strip is set in stone, I've gone faster on trips down where I 60'd better, but more often then not my trap is higher if I spin a little. Too many variables to make a conclusion from hundreds of miles away and behind an LCD.
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11secondgp I have been drag racing for over 20 years and have been called a liar many of times. the thing that I have found over the years is most of the people calling someone else a liar because there car runs good are the ones that can't get there car to run what it's supposed to run.
congrats your car runs good.

Now go run it without the belt and watch it pickup another 2 to 3 MPH.
Old Oct 26, 2007 | 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Superstock1200
We can argue instances back and forth forever. One night I did this, one night I did that. It's a pretty well spread theory that wheelspin often leads to higher traps.

I've seen alot of funny things at the track, hell, I saw grandmas FWD SC buick with some DRs and a 75 shot going mid 12's.

I don't think anything at the strip is set in stone, I've gone faster on trips down where I 60'd better, but more often then not my trap is higher if I spin a little. Too many variables to make a conclusion from hundreds of miles away and behind an LCD.
absolutly right, but you said maybe you traped so high because your 60 fts were so terrible. true in wheelspin, GP didnt spin. he stated he drove very slowly giving the gas slowly to the floor about 2 seconds. i demonstrated if your 60 fts are better you trap higher without spin. and that is a pretty well spread theory
Old Oct 26, 2007 | 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 11secondGP
So this is the message I get from the time keeper:

WTF I had many witnesses at the track that day. My mods can be verified by the forum sponsered tuner I will see in the next couple weeks as well. Couple people from clubgp were there along with some others from westcoastpontiacs that saw my three runs. Why all the hate? Are you calling me a liar? Ive been drag racing for years and not once have I been accused of BS.

Why thank you, you may not like it but you were the one who carried on about sixty foot times. Man you are really something else! at least have the class of talking to me either by e-mail or private message. We have records of many, many times on the list YOURS is the only automatic that indicates three successive runs in which your sixty foot and ET improved.

Dennis, Marc and the rest of us have recorded many runs and we all have evidence of TM as we have recorded faster sixty foot times that netted slower elapsed times. For some reason your car does not WHY? does the LS3 have reduced TM, I have no idea as we have no LS3, A6 time slips to compare.

To be blunt you were not so forth coming with listing the actual mods you had as you stated you only had a K&N air filter which turned out to be a CAI, & stat.......

Being a drag racer with so much experience I have difficulty understanding why your sixty foot times are not commensurate with that experience. I baby my slow A4 out of the hole at an idle and record 1.9 sixty foots. I drive like an old lady but lets forget about the slow sixty foot times and focus on the problem at hand your A6 is different from every other and I as “The Keeper” the doubting Thomas need to know why and, you are making something that is very easy very difficult…… now stop whining and show me why.

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Old Oct 27, 2007 | 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Tommy D
Why thank you, you may not like it but you were the one who carried on about sixty foot times. Man you are really something else! at least have the class of talking to me either by e-mail or private message. We have records of many, many times on the list YOURS is the only automatic that indicates three successive runs in which your sixty foot and ET improved.

Dennis, Marc and the rest of us have recorded many runs and we all have evidence of TM as we have recorded faster sixty foot times that netted slower elapsed times. For some reason your car does not WHY? does the LS3 have reduced TM, I have no idea as we have no LS3, A6 time slips to compare.

To be blunt you were not so forth coming with listing the actual mods you had as you stated you only had a K&N air filter which turned out to be a CAI, & stat.......

Being a drag racer with so much experience I have difficulty understanding why your sixty foot times are not commensurate with that experience. I baby my slow A4 out of the hole at an idle and record 1.9 sixty foots. I drive like an old lady but lets forget about the slow sixty foot times and focus on the problem at hand your A6 is different from every other and I as “The Keeper” the doubting Thomas need to know why and, you are making something that is very easy very difficult…… now stop whining and show me why.

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Old Oct 27, 2007 | 12:34 AM
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Oh and while I am at it...... we had been discussing making the list more accurate, that is why I was requesting time slips as well as requesting as much information as you want to give about the run.

Since I as well as other members will continue to question time slips as well whatever information an individual posts, I find it necessary to post the following disclaimer for those who will be offended.

I am not asking you to be part of the list you are requesting to be part of our list………

If you are the sensitive type and get offended if people question your posted results, then don't even bother posting them.

We reserve the right to question any and every result posted up here. And if that bothers you, then don't bother putting it up here.

If it will stand up to scrutiny, then you have nothing to worry about anyway. And if it does not stand up to our scrutiny, then you still have nothing to worry about if you know for yourself that what you posted is accurate."


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Originally Posted by jleews6
11secondgp I have been drag racing for over 20 years and have been called a liar many of times. the thing that I have found over the years is most of the people calling someone else a liar because there car runs good are the ones that can't get there car to run what it's supposed to run.
congrats your car runs good.

Now go run it without the belt and watch it pickup another 2 to 3 MPH.
You are just the right person for this job, someone who has been drag racing for years. Please take the time to look at the time slips in post 2077 and 2095 of the quarter mile thread. Make three columns and compare the 3 runs made by Evilways with his A6 to each other, notice anything?

Then do the same for the three time slips submitted by
11secondGP he also has a A6. Notice a difference between his results and Evilways. The difference should be quite apparent.

Please explain why Evilways (typical A6) time slips are different then 11secondgp
That is the question we are looking to answer.....without the drama

Thank you for your time and help

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Old Oct 27, 2007 | 01:42 AM
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Well there were more witnesses tonight and atleast a couple forum members were there.

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Ill post details in another thread. Tommy I dont know what to tell you other than proof is in the pudding.
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To be blunt you were not so forth coming with listing the actual mods you had as you stated you only had a K&N air filter which turned out to be a CAI, & stat....
I think everyone would agree aside from you that I made my mod list very clear in many different threads.

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Originally Posted by 11secondGP
Well there were more witnesses tonight and atleast a couple forum members were there.

2.16
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Ill post details in another thread. Tommy I dont know what to tell you other than proof is in the pudding.
I'd like a bowl of that pudding as well Bro!!!

Nice times again!

I'm working on my own post, but let's just say I know these LS3s can hit 119+ Myself!
Congrats,

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Originally Posted by '06 Quicksilver Z06
Who??? And how much more credible than you are they???

The fact remains, if I post up that I ran 11.2 bone stock at 129.99 mph, I fully expect that there will be some scrutiny. Even if its the gospel truth. Would I be offended? Absolutely not.

I'll give you another example.

There is a guy running Torco, long tube headers, and a fairly aggressive tune, claiming that he can run with a Z06.

Bear in mind that he also sells Torco, and that he also has at least one other powerful car in his possession.

If he post up an unusually quick time, how quick are you going to believe it? That an '08 running nothing else but long tube headers, Torco and a tune on street tires can run with a C6 Z06???

I can tell you right now, I won't readily believe it. Now does he or should he even care??? Hell no. Not unless he was counting on me to buy some Torco.

I'm only counting on you buying some Torco if you plan on beating me!!!


Videos on the way from the track...
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Originally Posted by 11secondGP
Well there were more witnesses tonight and atleast a couple forum members were there.

2.16
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Ill post details in another thread. Tommy I dont know what to tell you other than proof is in the pudding.

Great numbers

Take a pic of the time slip and post it.

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Old Oct 27, 2007 | 08:56 AM
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Already done in the 1/4 thread awhile ago.
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Originally Posted by eurostyle
This is what I call ENVY
I hardly call anything Tommy wrote envious. He's trying to figure out why out of all the A6 timeslips he's gotten, this one is different from them all. Like alot here on the forum, he's searching for real answers to the questions lots have about the differences between the 08's and the previous(05-07) C6s, including transmission behavior, TM application,gains from modifications,...etc...Wanting further information and factual input is hardly envy.
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Originally Posted by jbsblownc5
I'm only counting on you buying some Torco if you plan on beating me!!!


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What????

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1848694

Equal drivers, a stock Z06 will beat that all day. No thanks, not interested in potions and snake oil I'll work on my driving technique and beat that handily.

Headers, a Vararam and a tune in a car Chevy says should run 12.4 from the factory, should put it around 11.9, with a tailwind and a good driver, so no mystery there. I doubt the Torco did much.

People were running 11.9s with the same mods in LS2s over a year ago.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show....php?t=1344642

Callaway claimed 3 different 11.9s with just a set of tires and no bolt ons. And then 11.6s with just a CAI and tires. And no Torco. So really, how much of a gain was seen with the Torco??

Nice run though, no matter what was done to the car and no matter how strong the tailwind was looking at that flag near the staging area.

But all kidding aside, you are a very good driver. Those are all excellent passes

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