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Old Feb 13, 2008 | 11:38 AM
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I have these for the C6Z too
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Old Feb 13, 2008 | 12:07 PM
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Here we go again . The post was to let people know he now has them for sale. Not to debate over which design is better (THIS MEANS YOU.. VARARAM GUYS).
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Old Feb 13, 2008 | 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by MSC6
Here we go again . The post was to let people know he now has them for sale. Not to debate over which design is better (THIS MEANS YOU.. VARARAM GUYS).
everyone was being good now you had to start it all over again, there is a parts for sale section, this is a performance thread. you cant have one thing said about VR on any thread without the same guys jumping on bashing it. you know who they are. what goes around comes around
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Old Feb 13, 2008 | 12:55 PM
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Old Feb 13, 2008 | 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by LS1LT1
I was thinking the same thing.
Definitely looks like a good design and way better than the hot air intakes (K&N style etc.) out there. But I guess I just have some issue with the sharp turn that air must have to make to get into the MAF and the contrarian concept that air coming from low in the very nose of the car simply has to be cooler/cleaner?
Even though, intuitively, you might think that the bend over the radiator would cause a restriction, the air path through the Honker systems is actually quite uni-directional, which practically eliminates turbulence.

Airflow measurement using our SuperFlow flowbenches was one of the tools used during the design of the Honker. It allowed Callaway engineers to configure the radii, cross-section, and attack angle of the prototype inlet duct to maximize flow. Then we had the production mold manufactured based on the prototype design. Just like porting can optimize an intake port that has to bend around a pushrod area, the shape of the Honker duct was designed around the Corvette's chassis components for maximum air flow.

I suppose the bottom line is that none of the intake systems that we've ever tested allow as much airflow as the Honker systems. And we've tested all of the popular systems. That's why we're able to use the heading: "Still Undefeated" in the Honker advertisements.

On the cooler/cleaner question, there are conditions where the inlet air temperature will be higher with Honker than with front breathers. When the car is sitting idle or traveling very slowly, heat radiated from the car's radiator can affect inlet air temperature. As soon as the car begins to move forward, however, ambient air passes into the area in front of the radiator, pushing the heated air through the radiator as well as into the filter element. We can watch this happen as we monitor Inlet Air Temperature. (We've also recorded increased air pressure in the duct as a function of vehicle speed.) The IAT sensor updates the PCM continuously so when the temperature decreases, the proper injector pulse width is triggered and appropriate fuel mixture is applied immediately.

I'm not surprised that the Honker elements remain cleaner, though. As the air makes the bend into the area in front of the filter element and radiator, most of the debris and particulates (that are much heavier than the air) are too heavy to make the bend and pass under the car.

Here's an exploded view from when we used the Green filter element:

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Old Feb 13, 2008 | 12:59 PM
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This is a great intake guys, I'm not sure about the other intakes available, all I know is this one works. I specifically am working with Callaway for this intake. I have been so informed by one of the top tuners in Northern California that it's the best one and he's done back to back tests on others. I'm not sure which ones. I watched a fellow corvette owner pick up 15rwhp with only a CAI. He had a bunch of other stuff from heads, cam, to headers. But man 15rwhp is a lot. Look at the dyno.

This is not a comparison thread. This is a items available for sale thread. And because I'm a supporting vendor I can post it for sale in other forums besides the for sale. If you don't like what I'm selling just please move on, there is no need to post.
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Originally Posted by dennis50nj
everyone was being good now you had to start it all over again, there is a parts for sale section, this is a performance thread. :
and supporting vendors are allowed to post their sales in here as well as any section of the forum
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Old Feb 13, 2008 | 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by bowmanized
This is a great intake guys, I'm not sure about the other intakes available, all I know is this one works. I specifically am working with Callaway for this intake. I have been so informed by one of the top tuners in Northern California that it's the best one and he's done back to back tests on others. I'm not sure which ones. I watched a fellow corvette owner pick up 15rwhp with only a CAI. He had a bunch of other stuff from heads, cam, to headers. But man 15rwhp is a lot. Look at the dyno.

This is not a comparison thread. This is a items available for sale thread. And because I'm a supporting vendor I can post it for sale in other forums besides the for sale. If you don't like what I'm selling just please move on, there is no need to post.
Exactly. Well said. Thank you
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Old Feb 13, 2008 | 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by siffert
There really should be available a pre-cut and pre-riveted shroud. It would make for a much easier DIY install. How many folks have a rivet tool? Not to mention keeping your oem shroud intact in the event you wanted to ever sell your car/keep your Honker or visa versa. Other CAI makers make that available as an extra cost option.
Callaway engineers believe that every car has to be perfect and the only way that can happen is if the customer precisely locates the hole in the shroud for that particular vehicle. Tolerance stack-up in any mass produced vehicle is going to mean that not every radiator shroud and engine are in exactly the same location. However, as you mention, other manufacturers have offered pre-cut shrouds successfully. The discussion will continue here and if anything changes, Callaway Dealers and Forum members will be the first to know.
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Thank you for the explanation. I have a question regarding the following comment:

Originally Posted by mcv
On the cooler/cleaner question, there are conditions where the inlet air temperature will be higher with Honker than with front breathers.
Were there any reasons for not designing the intake to eliminate the temperature differences in these situations?
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Old Feb 14, 2008 | 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by mcv
Bottom line is consistent 0.25 to 0.30 seconds quicker than OEM intake in 1/4 mile in back-to-back LS3 testing.
Can you tell us what your Honker 1/4 mile times vs stock were for the LS2? You must have track tested the Honker for the LS2 which came before the LS3. Just curious between the difference of the two engines with the Honker. Thanks.
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Old Feb 14, 2008 | 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by sync
Thank you for the explanation.
Were there any reasons for not designing the intake to eliminate the temperature differences in these situations?
Higher inlet air temperatures in these particular conditions don't have a negative effect on acceleration or any other performance characteristics. The conditions are: when cooling fans are off and car is standing still or moving forward very slowly or backing up. As soon as the car starts moving forward, ambient air enters the radiator and Honker inlet area, displacing the warmer air. The Corvette engineers designed the body panels to enable the radiator to get access to cooling air this way. Callaway engineers believed that the Honker's air inlet location was superior to other locations as it provides a uni-directional airflow path for reduced turbulence and maximum flow. This inlet location also reduces road debris deposited on the filter element, compared to other designs, which can restrict airflow and require more frequent maintenance.

A quick note to prevent any undue concern: The inlet air temperatures at idle with the fans off are not excessively high. They're not even approaching levels that would produce any drivability problems or trigger any Diagnostic Trouble Codes.
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Is there a Honker for the LS3? The LS3 stock airbox looks quite different from what I recall of my 06 configuration.
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Old Feb 14, 2008 | 11:00 AM
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Is there a Honker for the LS3? The LS3 stock airbox looks quite different from what I recall of my 06 configuration.
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Is there a Honker for the LS3? The LS3 stock airbox looks quite different from what I recall of my 06 configuration.
yes their is!! and bowmanized has them
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Old Feb 14, 2008 | 11:21 AM
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Have the Honker and the shifter.

WOuld go the same if I had to do it again tomorrow.

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