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Old Feb 9, 2014 | 09:38 PM
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My third trip to dealer they are replacing mine this trip.
Your looking at an old post of mine. The light did come back in Nov 2009 and I'm still fighting it. The problem was not the tensioner but the connector. The dealers tech used his tech 11 and pulled a tensioner code because the circuit was open at the connector. When he installed the new tensioner he made a good connection that lasted five months.
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Old Feb 11, 2014 | 08:56 PM
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Your looking at Bban old post of mine. The light did come back in Nov 2009 and I'm still fighting it. The problem was not the tensioner but the connector. The dealers tech used his tech 11 and pulled a tensioner code because the circuit was open at the connector. When he installed the new tensioner he made a good connection that lasted five months.
Thanks for the update .
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Old Feb 12, 2014 | 05:58 PM
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Thanks for the update .
Any word on the new pre-tensioner?
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Old Feb 14, 2014 | 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by VET4LES
Any word on the new pre-tensioner?
Not yet my vette is still in shop going on two weeks awaiting the part will keep you posted.
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Old Feb 21, 2014 | 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by sts57c5
Not yet my vette is still in shop going on two weeks awaiting the part will keep you posted.
Got my vette back this week but not had a chance to drive it yet they replaced the pre ten
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Old Feb 22, 2014 | 11:23 AM
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Got my vette back this week but not had a chance to drive it yet they replaced the pre ten
Hopefully you will be luckier than I was. When the tech tested the circuit for the pre-tensioner it indicated an open circuit. He assumed it was a bad pre- tensioner and replaced it. What he didn't know was the connector under the seat had a bad connection. A few months after the pre-tensioner was replaced the check air bag light returned. I zip tied the connector and the light went out. I've been fighting the connector since and that's been around six years.

This is a letter that GM admits they know what the problem is but refuse to do anything about it.

Hi Les,

I am sorry that it has taken me sometime to get back to you about your air bag light, I had to speak with internal resources.

The air bag light concern is caused by the seat belt connector under the drivers seat coming loose. There was a change made in 2008 that moved the connector that helps some but did not completely remedy it. It can also be seen in fewer numbers in 2008 – 2010. It was driven by the connector being placed directly under the seat cushion. When a customer uses easy exit or memory so the seat moves at each door opening it will work the connector loose over time. The fix was to attach it to the seat frame so it did not get drug across the bottom of the carpet. In 2008 they made the wire a little longer to move the connector out of the way. I am not aware of any discussion for a recall or customer satisfaction action because it was self-declaring.

I am sorry this is not the resolution that you wished for on this matter. I did look into the concern and I did speak with the appropriate departments. I am sorry to be the one to bring you this news. I do thank you for being diligent in reaching out to me.
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Old Feb 22, 2014 | 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by VET4LES
Hopefully you will be luckier than I was. When the tech tested the circuit for the pre-tensioner it indicated an open circuit. He assumed it was a bad pre- tensioner and replaced it. What he didn't know was the connector under the seat had a bad connection. A few months after the pre-tensioner was replaced the check air bag light returned. I zip tied the connector and the light went out. I've been fighting the connector since and that's been around six years.

This is a letter that GM admits they know what the problem is but refuse to do anything about it.

Hi Les,

I am sorry that it has taken me sometime to get back to you about your air bag light, I had to speak with internal resources.

The air bag light concern is caused by the seat belt connector under the drivers seat coming loose. There was a change made in 2008 that moved the connector that helps some but did not completely remedy it. It can also be seen in fewer numbers in 2008 – 2010. It was driven by the connector being placed directly under the seat cushion. When a customer uses easy exit or memory so the seat moves at each door opening it will work the connector loose over time. The fix was to attach it to the seat frame so it did not get drug across the bottom of the carpet. In 2008 they made the wire a little longer to move the connector out of the way. I am not aware of any discussion for a recall or customer satisfaction action because it was self-declaring.

I am sorry this is not the resolution that you wished for on this matter. I did look into the concern and I did speak with the appropriate departments. I am sorry to be the one to bring you this news. I do thank you for being diligent in reaching out to me.
Hey any special kind of tie straps I need to use to tie to top of frame ?
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Old Feb 22, 2014 | 08:17 PM
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Hey any special kind of tie straps I need to use to tie to top of frame ?
I used the same zip ties. There is a brace above the bar that I used to hold connector above the bar.

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Old Feb 23, 2014 | 02:51 AM
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Originally Posted by VET4LES
Keep us posted. Make sure to file a complaint with the NHTSA on the link above. This is the connector that is usually the problem. Raise the seat all the way up and foreword.

This is good info. My light would come on and go off. The 2010 model actually has little blue zip tie looking pieces that stick in a slot on each side of the connector to help keep the connection tight. This was Chevys fix lol so yes they know the connector is a issue.

I put a zip tie around each one.(there is one yellow connector under each seat and yes it clips to the round bar.

I have not had the light come on again since zip tying the connectors. I do not use the easy exit/entry feature on the power seats though so my seat never really moves unless someone pushes the driver 2 button. All that back and forth movement is probably what causes the connection to get loose over time.

It's an easy fix and saves a lot of frustration and expense at the dealership
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Old Feb 23, 2014 | 10:44 AM
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This is good info. My light would come on and go off. The 2010 model actually has little blue zip tie looking pieces that stick in a slot on each side of the connector to help keep the connection tight. This was Chevys fix lol so yes they know the connector is a issue.

I put a zip tie around each one.(there is one yellow connector under each seat and yes it clips to the round bar.

I have not had the light come on again since zip tying the connectors. I do not use the easy exit/entry feature on the power seats though so my seat never really moves unless someone pushes the driver 2 button. All that back and forth movement is probably what causes the connection to get loose over time.

It's an easy fix and saves a lot of frustration and expense at the dealership
Good news. Next time your under the seat move the connector to the top of the bar.
Make sure to file a complaint with the NHTSA.

http://www.nhtsa.gov/Vehicle+Safety/Recalls+&+Defects
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Old Mar 2, 2014 | 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by VET4LES
I used the same zip ties. There is a brace above the bar that I used to hold connector above the bar.

Good picture thanks
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Old Mar 2, 2014 | 09:56 PM
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Not only are the seat and seat design crap, but also looks like a monkey routed the wires/connectors. I took my 2012 driver's seat out to correct a future problem ALL of the C6 seats may experience, which is the frame wires can eat right thru the foam. But the worst design issue is when you lower the seat all the way, you compress EVERYTHING under the seat, to the point you feel all of that poking thru your butt. Seat for an hour and severe pain ensues. I also tried to correct that, but was only partially successful. And part of the rearranging included repositioning that yellow connector from the bottom of the tube to the side of it. As well as re-routing other harnesses better, and zip-tying them in place.

I strongly suggest all owners do this fix asap, to avoid any seat issues later on, including the airbag connector and frame wires ruining the foam. And since the problem will still exist, I suggest the following, which is what I did:
1. Lowering the seat all the way is useless. You'd be sitting on solid stuff, as I mentioned. Instead, raise the seat until you feel your butt barely bottoming out, meaning you don't give up on hardly any height, BUT will gain a lot in comfort. You still wouldn't have much cushioning if car bounces up and down, but it'd be way better. I feel like driving a truck if I drive any higher, so that was an acceptable compromise to me.
2. If you still want to use the seat all the way down but need to adjust it, raise it a little first, then slide it front or back, then lower it again. That way you avoid dragging the crap out of everything under the seat, potentially damaging something. I should have taken a picture of the carpet when I removed my seat with only 500 miles on the car. It was completely flattened, compressed to an unbelievable thickness.
3. If you have the seat at the bottom, DO NOT use 'easy entry' . If you do what I did, I guess it could be used with much less concern of a future issue. Good luck.
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Old Mar 3, 2014 | 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by ELP_JC
Not only are the seat and seat design crap, but also looks like a monkey routed the wires/connectors. I took my 2012 driver's seat out to correct a future problem ALL of the C6 seats may experience, which is the frame wires can eat right thru the foam. But the worst design issue is when you lower the seat all the way, you compress EVERYTHING under the seat, to the point you feel all of that poking thru your butt. Seat for an hour and severe pain ensues. I also tried to correct that, but was only partially successful. And part of the rearranging included repositioning that yellow connector from the bottom of the tube to the side of it. As well as re-routing other harnesses better, and zip-tying them in place.

I strongly suggest all owners do this fix asap, to avoid any seat issues later on, including the airbag connector and frame wires ruining the foam. And since the problem will still exist, I suggest the following, which is what I did:
1. Lowering the seat all the way is useless. You'd be sitting on solid stuff, as I mentioned. Instead, raise the seat until you feel your butt barely bottoming out, meaning you don't give up on hardly any height, BUT will gain a lot in comfort. You still wouldn't have much cushioning if car bounces up and down, but it'd be way better. I feel like driving a truck if I drive any higher, so that was an acceptable compromise to me.
2. If you still want to use the seat all the way down but need to adjust it, raise it a little first, then slide it front or back, then lower it again. That way you avoid dragging the crap out of everything under the seat, potentially damaging something. I should have taken a picture of the carpet when I removed my seat with only 500 miles on the car. It was completely flattened, compressed to an unbelievable thickness.
3. If you have the seat at the bottom, DO NOT use 'easy entry' . If you do what I did, I guess it could be used with much less concern of a future issue. Good luck.
You are finding out what many of us have been complaining about for years. GM doesn't care. It's important that we complain to the NHTSA and hopefully get a recall on the C6 before another Cobalt problem happens.

http://www.nhtsa.gov/Vehicle+Safety/Recalls+&+Defects
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Originally Posted by VET4LES
You are finding out what many of us have been complaining about for years. GM doesn't care. It's important that we complain to the NHTSA and hopefully get a recall on the C6 before another Cobalt problem happens.

http://www.nhtsa.gov/Vehicle+Safety/Recalls+&+Defects
I would encourage anybody that has a safety concern to please submit a letter to GM.
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Originally Posted by sts57c5
I would encourage anybody that has a safety concern to please submit a letter to GM.
It's important to let GM know about the safety issue in addition to the NHTSA.

http://www.nhtsa.gov/Vehicle+Safety/Recalls+&+Defects
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Originally Posted by VET4LES
It's important to let GM know about the safety issue in addition to the NHTSA.

http://www.nhtsa.gov/Vehicle+Safety/Recalls+&+Defects
Ditto!
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Ditto!
I know this will not happen but GM needs to be proactive and not reactive in resolving this matter.
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