Maybe, maybe not. But that air certainly can be colder directly on the front of the car and we ALL know what cooler air can do for IATs.




Or did they actually do it for packaging/space/aerodynamic reasons?

 

and its still on the fastest bolt/on C6 PERIOD. LS3 OR LS2 AND ITS STILL ON IT. and it set a new record again

 

If you can explain how air that is 6 inches above the the ground is colder than air 4 inches above the ground, I'd like to hear it.



I'm sure they did do it more so for packaging, but isn't that the point of aerodynamics. To lower the wind resistance on the car, and more specifically the front of the car. And not to take away the fact that air flow past the car is important as well, but frontal area is a key measurement. And allowing plenty of air to get to the radiator is one of the key functions in keeping an engine running and they didn't have any problems putting it there since its like that on lots of cars. It's either that or have a big flat front end.

 

And believe me I know and understand that the Vararam does what it's supposed to. I would have pushed it on anyone, until I recently saw the Vortex. I'm not discrediting the Vararam at all in any way. Those 2 CAIs are the only ones I would ever consider. I even doubt that the differences would be noticeable, but I believe that if there is a difference it would be in the favor of the Vortex.

 

Only if you can explain to me how 1) air coming cleanly from the atmosphere is somehow warmer than air bouncing off of a hot radiator/AC condensor and 2) how that 180 degree turn said air has to make after first bouncing off that radiator in order to hit it's target is better than the smooth, mild 60-80 degree turns it makes with the Vararam?

 

Since the AC condensor doesn't even get hot, that's not even an issue. It gets mildly warm on the hottest days. Even idling in the driveway all day long on a 90 degree day you'd be surprised how little heat it puts off.

Even still most of the air that touches the condensor goes right on through it.

And the turns mean next to nothing as soon as it hits that wall (aka the filter). Pressurized air in front of the filter is pressurized air in front of the filter. I'm pretty sure it doesn't care how it gets there.

The only concern would be keeping that air pressure up. And on this I'll give one point to Vararam and one to Vortex. The Vortex has an abundance of air from the huge hole in front of the radiator and the air dam, scooping up even more, but it does have that big ol' box to fill up, which during a WOT pass may lower over PSI. Where as the Vararam doesn't have all that extra void to fill it could potentially sustain pressure better, but it just doesn't have the volume due to size and location of the entry that the Vortex does.

Either way I think those are moot point because the engine is breathing through a 4 inch hole (or less) and there is no way that it could use everybit of air the is going into either one.

There may be some science to prove or disprove what I've said, but that's just how I see it. Either way you have a good setup, theres just no reason to dis on or the other with out actual back to back comparisons of both. And saying "this car has it and it does this" isn't really that good of a comparison. If you didn't know.

 

I went with the BPP Vortex Rammer because I thought the quality was a cut above the Vararam and I liked the filter sitting higher off the ground than the Vararam, so I didn't have to be concerned about possible water injestion.

 

Fair enough.

 

I've had both and agree that the BPP is a superior product. Never had a problem with BPP but many with the Vararam. Template for the cutout was wrong. I wound up knicking the condenser (about a $350.00 hit) as many others did. The top portion split and they repaced it. The spacer didn't come with the tubes so it bellied out and I had an air leak. They sent me a new one. They changed the intake opening size/configuration, so I wound up purchasing a new style one. I did have an early generation of this procuct (purchased around Jan '06) and they have made several improvements. I'm actually using it now. I've never heard of a problem with the BPP. The BPP does cost a lot more. There are a lot of used Vararams on this forum for sale. I couldn't tell a difference in perforamnce. Need a dyno or drag strip trics for that I suppose. They do sound good!!!

 

the VARARAM just helped me get another world record 10.911 at 124.14 thats some great mph from an auto, and c6 devil has the heads and cam world record with VARARAM at 10.66 131.68

 

I saw that video of your run. That car SCREAMS ! I was a VR doubter but I finally converted and I'm glad I did.

 

im torn between the 2. so far the vararam seems to speak for itself in performance. but im worried about the quality. the vortex looks good but its not doing a good job backing up its numbers. just my opinion

 

I wouldn't worry about the quality, the latest iteration of the Snake Charmer is made even better than the much older one that I have and even mine is still holding up/performing beautifully.

 

Have you ever try the Rammer for comparison?

 

I have never seen, read or heard of a back to back performance comparison of the Vararam vs BPP's Vortex Ram Air. Not sure you would see much if any difference between the two. However, I like the fit and finish of BPP's Vortex over the Vararam. Also, I have read a number of threads where people with the Vararam have had problems ingesting water. While this is rare, I have yet to hear of this being a problem with the Vortex Ram Air.

 

I'm a little confused...Congrats on the new record...But didn't you allready have the Vararam on your car before you set this new record? If I remember correctly you also had the same Vararam when you were running the high 11's. Something major happened in the last year with your car. Are you contributing your faster times to the Vararam. I'm not trying to take anything away from your fantastic times. Just confused!

 

I haven't heard much of that at all myself but I suppose it's possible.
If someone is so aloof and care free (aka: stupid) enough about their Corvette to go through water deep enough and fast enough to get it into their motor with a Vararam on the car then they're very likely to do the same damn thing with ANY cold air kit on there, Vortex included. Even the stock set up will allow enough water into the motor if an idiot driver barrels through a foot+ deep puddle at 30mph+.

 

Yes he did, but he didn't imply that it was the sole reason why his car recently beat it's personal best, only that it helped get him there, which is true.






If you also remember correctly, Dennis did in fact upgrade his Vararam along the way once or twice while helping them with some development/R&D, his current Vararam is not the same one that he had on the car when it was still in the high 11s, that unit is on my car now.

 

I'm not trying to take anythig away from Dennis's great times. I did not relize that Dennis was involved with Vararam. Nor did I relize this was not the same unit that was on his 11 second car. Do you have any information on this developmental Vararam or any specifications? I have NO ties to BPP Vortex... just like the quality. I would be the first in line to purchase the new Vararam if the quality improved and I could get better ET's. Don't want to turn this into a negative forum.

 

I had water injested while idling through 3 inches of water during a pop-up thunderstorm this past summer. Not enough water to seize the motor but it did get through the filter, into the maf, and a bit into the manifold. I got lucky as the water injested was a relatively small amount. And I know the height of the water cause I was ankle deep pushing the car out of it! I put the stocker back on for the remainder of the hot/humid summer weather.

I've since reinstalled the Vararam because of the marked differance in performance from the stock intake in comparison. Now that I don't have to worry about severe weather popping up out of nowhere!