Doug,

thanks for chimming in on this, that puts some perspective on it.. I appologize if I misinterpreted what was said by your guy on the phone(so many people with so much info)

Chris was extremely knowledgeable and took all the time that I needed to answer any questions that I had. If you would be interested in taking the time, her are the details of what I am looking..feel free to pm me with suggestions and prices for parts through you including the following for an 06 6sd manual vette...forged internals..blower cam, s/c kit, pfadt coilovers, alky kit, headers w x (no cats) ghl exhaust..if you have suggestions on changing any of this in the interest of reaching my goals, please feel free to include them. Like I said earlier, I want a car that is nothing short of ridiculus.

Thanks again for responding, I appreciate your input

 

I would be glad to, thanks!

btw, if you haven't noticed I am the more HP aggressive person out of the shop so if your looking to go wild I'm the better partner to talk to.

The only thing I would add to that list is a fuel system, and the eight rib upgrade with the Novi 2200 head unit. I can get you easily between 750-800RWHP with that combo. With an aggressive tune (which would require 100 octane mix) could break the 800 mark easily also. The best part about it is that the car will drive like stock, get good mileage etc etc, yet be ridiculously powerful.

 

That sounds like a plan to me:

we are for sure speaking the same language!!

I don't want to have to boost octane though.. I think 750RWHP would be a great place to start..especially if the thing is still perfecty behaved! Are you of the opinion at that rate I should do the forged internals?? I think I would just to be safe, but curious as to what your opinion is. Thanks again for the attention on this

 

We have several stock bottom end LS2's over 700rwhp now, but like I said to every person who has it (even though some are going on two years now and all are still going fine) that if it blows, drop it off with a smile.

If you have the means to just do it in one step, I certainly would not suggest not to. It's certainly the better answer to longevity on paper, but for whatever reason the stock engines are holding up incredibly and they are raced cars too.

 

I agree Doug, and I look forward to hearing from you!

 

Well since gears make you slower there has to be something not measured that makes the H/C cars run faster times and speeds with less power.

 

You definitely got the shop right. N/A or FI they have the best of either.

Now for the people who think I have power adder evny, I have both an S/C and nitrous and wouldnt want it from any other place. I wouldnt trade it for a stroker either.

All jokes aside, boost is definitely addictive and not number two in making power to anything. It doesnt have to be refilled and it doesnt let you down now that today's kits are very reliable. Once dialed in and tuned right, the cars run safe and dont suffer the issues of years ago.

If there is anything I do have to admit regretting, its that I'm sorry I waited.

 

Nah man, my car is that high because of the H/C I had before the S/C.

You do realize this was all to jack you up. Its a joke.

 

Of course I do... But I can't keep posting if I pretend to get it
Allright, time for me to hit the bar... Thanks for the call btw, and talk to you later!

 

Thia is one heck of a thread. Great info in this for all of us. Thanks everyone!

 

Just wanna say thanks to everyone for your advice and info...This turned into a very infomative thread!!!

 

I hardly consider any car with a stock LS3 intake a max effort build. It is tough to follow all this BS in this thread. The OP is looking for opinions on H/C vs. FI with some very misinformed data points. You contend that there is no FI C6 with 525 hp that ran in the mid 10's. How many tried? My guess is not many. For your summation to be correct, you would need to put that same driver in a properly tuned FI car. It may have happened, I don't know. Either way, your point about a H/C car is faster on the street - . Personally, I don't street race, however I did once run a freind in LG built cammed AFR / Fast C6 when I had a 600hp bolt on SC and left him like he was standing still. At 900+, I am fairly certain that I would stomp any H/C car in the mile, which is probably the best indicator of a street cars straight line performance capability. Only one H/C car broke the 200mph barrier and it took a H/C c6z with a 350hp shot to get there. Every other car was FI and they were all street cars.

 

You still race cars? Man, when I'm looking for a race, I don't even bother looking at cars... I go after the guys on the sportbikes

(just kidding!)

 

Zip it up and put it away. It's not that big............... Hey, what happened to that guy that was internet-taunting you last month with his STI? That guy is no joke - 800+ whp G35 TT (time attack car); 600 whp WRX STI (daily driver), 450 whp Evo (daily driver). I know who he is and he is still pissed that they banned him from the forum - nice guy but very aggressive. Even he admits that he needs to stop buying slow cars and make them fast - I think his next toy could very well be a Corvette - I am trying to convert him.

I have to say - I have been talking to Chris and Doug at ECS and I see an FI install in my future as well. Anyone in the area (Freehold NJ) have a stock internal FI, 6 spd manual car that wants to take me for a ride? I am looking to see what the driveability is like..........

 

What happened to him is that he showed up here acting like stupid little kid looking for a street race, said he's never seen a fast Corvette in his life, and that Corvette drivers were old men who couldn't drive their cars, and then he told me I was a balding old man (I'm 26 years old ). So I reported him and he got banned. I think I speak for everybody when I say that this forum doesn't need any of that ricer crap. Honestly I hope he doesn't get a Corvette; god forbid someone sees an ******* like that driving a Corvette and he gives us all a bad name.

I had not one but two fast STIs before I got a C5 Z06 and then my current C6. The first one was a properly fast car: a 2740lbs GC8 impreza running 21/22 pounds of boost with an EJ207 redlining at 8250RPM. It was super fast and it broke ALL the time; went through 3 transmissions, 4 engines, 2 power steering pumps, a halfshaft, both rear wheel bearings, etc. Engine and drivetrain components literally took turns breaking on that thing.
The second one was a 2005 STI with all the bolt ons (catless DP, full exhaust, headers, bigger intercooler, intake, retune). It made decent power but was a heavy pig; they come in at over 3350lbs from the factory! It never compared to my GC8 so when it was totalled by a woman running a stopsign I didn't think twice before getting the Z06.
I'm a huge fan of imports and plan on getting another STI next winter for a snow car, but 600AWHP subarus and mitsubishis really don't impress me that much any more: First of all it will take *considerably* more than 600AWHP to get an STI to run down a 600RWHP corvette; it is a heavier car, with a much higher drag coefficient, a much larger frontal area, a lot less torque, and a really peaky power band.
Secondly that kind of power is almost 100% of the time made on small engines via race gas, so when you see one on the street getting daily driven, it is usually on a pump gas map making lot less than the big bragging dyno numbers they like to post on forums. I know because I ran a race gas and a pump gas map, and so do *ALL* of my Subaru/Evo friends. A 600WHP STI is running a Garrett GT35 / GT40 size turbo. That is good for less than 500 on straight pump, if you are lucky, and that's once it finally spools up by 4000RPM.
Finally, once you start making DOUBLE what the car came with from the from the factory, it breaks all the time. That was the ONLY reason I got rid of my GC8; it spent as much time in the garage as it did on the road, and when it was all said and done it probably cost what my C6 cost!

Honestly I'd love to race your friend if he wasn't such a dick, but as-is, I have absolutely no interest in meeting him. I am not here to make enemies, I don't race for money, I don't have anything to prove to anyone, and frankly I am just too busy to deal with crap like that...
Races with people like that are like running the special olympics: even if you win, you're still retarded: he would show up, annoy the hell out of me with his BS, and then either lose and talk a bunch more crap about how he missed a shift, or his car wasn't running right, or I cheated, or etc etc etc... Or he would win, get to drive home his hopped up ricebox in the hopes it doesn't break, and I would never hear the end of it. "Winning gracefully" is a concept entirely foreign to people like that.
Tell him what I posted on that thread: if he really wants to run a supercharged C6 he can show up at Allentown next Corvette Challenge and run any of the FI guys who run in that series. My buddy Digivex said he'll put $1000 down on racing any rice that shows up there; maybe your can PM him and arrange a meeting with your buddy.

 

I remember that thread. Your "friend" came in with a very cocky aggressive attitude and wanted to call out some fast Vettes in his area. It's no suprise it wasn't taken well. I would only expect the same thing if one of us were to approach the STi boards in the same fashion. I agree with Powerlabs in the fact that if your friend's attitude on here reflects his true personality when face to face, a race wouldn't be worth the time for anyone. Win or lose there still would have been too much BS to listen to to make it any fun. Most of us have seen this before.