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Old Apr 20, 2009 | 01:52 PM
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Should I be worried about getting wheel hop? I am scared (really can't afford) to blow the rear and I am in the process of the build so adding Pfadt engine and transmission mounts now is cheaper than later.

Wondering how the F55 shocks compare to coilovers or adjustables.

Build plan in the signature. Running stock run flats for now, plan to move to stock 18" front wheels widened to 10.5" by Weldcraft with MT 305/35 ET Street IIs, but only if I need to for wheel hop or for a better ET.

Hope to get in the 10s with a reasonably streetable NA build.
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Go with Bilstein sport shocks and poly bushings. You may also look into getting a RPM differential with C6Z output shafts, they're far stronger than our stock A6 parts. That's what I did (upgraded to 3.42 RPM gears with C6Z output shafts).
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Old Apr 20, 2009 | 03:27 PM
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I also did the RPM 3.42 rear upgrade, but never had a wheel hop in my A6. Most wheel hop problems come from M6 cars.
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Old Apr 20, 2009 | 03:43 PM
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I had never encountered wheel hop until I installed my 427, then it was like I could not
get on it at all, my Toyos T1r did their job with the H/C Headers motor.
so now I'm waiting for my 18x11 wheels to come back from the Powder Coater so I can mount my r888 305/35zr18 and try again!!!!
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10s can be run without touching the rear on an A6. One of the nice things about an A6 and drag radials is that the A6 is not as hard on the car at launch and the DRs have a little give in them to help absorb driveline shock.

Running 10s on runcraps is very hard to do. You'll want the drag radials. Coilovers are expensive and unnecessary to run 10s.

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Go with Bilstein sport shocks and poly bushings. You may also look into getting a RPM differential with C6Z output shafts, they're far stronger than our stock A6 parts. That's what I did (upgraded to 3.42 RPM gears with C6Z output shafts).
If he has the F55 suspension, he doesn't want to toss out the shocks.
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Originally Posted by Ragtop 99
10s can be run without touching the rear on an A6. One of the nice things about an A6 and drag radials is that the A6 is not as hard on the car at launch and the DRs have a little give in them to help absorb driveline shock.

Running 10s on runcraps is very hard to do. You'll want the drag radials. Coilovers are expensive and unnecessary to run 10s.


If he has the F55 suspension, he doesn't want to toss out the shocks.
Why wouldn't he want to get better shocks?
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Old Apr 20, 2009 | 05:40 PM
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My car with Michelin PS2s in 285/35R19 Wheelhopped so bad it felt like it was going to break apart. I got rid of those for a set of 18" diameter Nitto 555R2s on the back, and now not only is it very difficult to break them lose, but when they do, they make the most awesome tire screeching sound ever, with ZERO hop... I am a huge believer in 18" tires now!
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Originally Posted by PowerLabs
My car with Michelin PS2s in 285/35R19 Wheelhopped so bad it felt like it was going to break apart. I got rid of those for a set of 18" diameter Nitto 555R2s on the back, and now not only is it very difficult to break them lose, but when they do, they make the most awesome tire screeching sound ever, with ZERO hop... I am a huge believer in 18" tires now!
Curious if you have stock shocks as well?
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Originally Posted by simplyphp
Curious if you have stock shocks as well?
Yup... 100% bone stock C6 Z51 suspension here, although soon to change.
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Originally Posted by PowerLabs
Yup... 100% bone stock C6 Z51 suspension here, although soon to change.
I read a lot of threads about people with Z51 package upgrading to Bilsteins to resolve the wheelhop issue, guess by going to 18s in the rear w/some better street tires you can also address it.
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Originally Posted by simplyphp
I read a lot of threads about people with Z51 package upgrading to Bilsteins to resolve the wheelhop issue, guess by going to 18s in the rear w/some better street tires you can also address it.
Exactly. I was (and still am) going to upgrade to Bilstein shocks, but the 18's really did the trick as far as eliminating wheelhop. My best bet for wheelspin now is nailing it hard in 1st, shifting from 1st to 2nd hard, or dumping the clutch. When I do that, the tires screech incredibly loud, and the car does slide, but no wheelhop.
So I am now doing the Bilsteins for the improvement in handling that they offer, and also because my stock shocks are at 45K miles now. I'm pairing them up with a C6 Z06 rear swaybar to balance out some of the formidable grip those 305 width R compounds produce on the back!
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Originally Posted by simplyphp
Why wouldn't he want to get better shocks?
He already has better shocks.
I've never heard of any F55 A6 car experiencing wheel hop.
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Originally Posted by HOXXOH
He already has better shocks.
I've never heard of any F55 A6 car experiencing wheel hop.
Who's to say that just because there aren't any threads here about it, that someone out there hasn't experienced it?
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I have have had the car wheel hop once in about 40 passes... I'm still on the stock rear and halfshaft with an aftermarket stall.. No issues so far... Knock on wood....

08 A6 Z51
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Originally Posted by simplyphp
Why wouldn't he want to get better shocks?
What makes you think that a set of bilsteins are better than the F55? That is the whole point of spending for that option is to get the shocks. I've seen several demos showing that the F55 seems to do very well at keeping the car planted at speed, but I'm not a 100% sure on launch.

If you are replacing shocks for the purpose of drag racing, I'd look for QA1's if they make them for the vette. They work well in weight transfer situations because you can dial in each corner.
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Originally Posted by simplyphp
Who's to say that just because there aren't any threads here about it, that someone out there hasn't experienced it?
My statement read "I've never heard of any..."

If you have, I'd be interested in communicating with them to gain knowledge on the subject.
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Originally Posted by Ragtop 99
What makes you think that a set of bilsteins are better than the F55? That is the whole point of spending for that option is to get the shocks. I've seen several demos showing that the F55 seems to do very well at keeping the car planted at speed, but I'm not a 100% sure on launch.

If you are replacing shocks for the purpose of drag racing, I'd look for QA1's if they make them for the vette. They work well in weight transfer situations because you can dial in each corner.
I dont know if they're better or not, but if you do know I'm all ears for an explanation of why
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Originally Posted by HOXXOH
He already has better shocks.
I've never heard of any F55 A6 car experiencing wheel hop.
I can add I have never had any wheelhop on my 11.73 C6 A6 either with runflats on the street or DR's on the strip with my Base FE1 suspension.
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Well, I never had any before my 427 install, so it must be something to do with
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Originally Posted by 54fighting
If you are planning to run in the ten's you will need to build up that A6 as well. It will not hold that kind of HP for very long.
why?? i did have to replace my clutches, but that was only because a bad tune caused flares in my trans

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10s can be run without touching the rear on an A6. One of the nice things about an A6 and drag radials is that the A6 is not as hard on the car at launch and the DRs have a little give in them to help absorb driveline shock.

Running 10s on runcraps is very hard to do. You'll want the drag radials. Coilovers are expensive and unnecessary to run 10s.


If he has the F55 suspension, he doesn't want to toss out the shocks.
agreed, i usually run my suspension soft at the strip to get a little more transfer,

i haven't made a ton of passes, but with about 15 passes under my belt, and 8k miles on the car, i haven't experienced wheel hop once, not on the runflats, not on the invos, not on my 335/30/18 hoosier drag radials, and not in the last 2 days on the 345/35/18 m&h drag radials

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Why wouldn't he want to get better shocks?
because you can throw the 2k f55 suspension away

autos don't hit the drivetrain no where near as hard as stick cars
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