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Old Jul 27, 2009 | 01:21 PM
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Should i get a new ported intake???

Should i ported the stock intake???

And what mm should it be ported to???

And stupid question....does the throttle body have to be ported also???
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Old Jul 27, 2009 | 01:39 PM
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no!
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Old Jul 27, 2009 | 05:14 PM
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Why such an adement no? Not a fan of porting devil dawg? Please say why. It may answer some questions to problems I'm having.
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Old Jul 27, 2009 | 06:07 PM
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I've been seeing lately that some say the ported stocker vs ported FAST isnt that big a difference.

From a happy customer who had his FAST installed and tuned at an independent shop:

Customer 1:

Originally Posted by carlrx7
Plug for you spin!

here are my results with adding SPIN's ported fast and a cory harris ported TB



great work!!

+27HP and +33TQ!!!!!! CRAZY! my tuner couldn't believe it!!
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Originally Posted by Bad06vette
EDITED: Posted the Dyno sheets from page 2 (Thanks Spinmonster!)

Two highly debated topics on here... is the FAST worth it over the Stock ported intake? And the highly debated which header topic. In this review it is the Kooks vs the LG.

Okay, first off let me start by saying thanks to a few people.

First off, Louis and Anthony and the whole group at LG Motorsports. There is no other better shop that takes care of you like these guys do!
They exceed every expectation! I won't take my car anywhere else. I have made the 4 1/2 hour round trip to LG, 3 times in the last month.
That tells you what a great job these guys do!

Second, Thanks go out to Guy (Spinmonster) for his work on my FAST and for his continuing CF guidance and wisdom.

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The Mods before FAST:
*Vararam VR SC1
*Ported TB
*Ported Stock Intake
*Kooks 1 3/4 headers
*Catless xpipe
*B&B Bullets
*Full Dyno Tune.

Starting pull: 369/361. 94 degrees, with 25% humidity.

First Test: Ported SPINFast 92mm vs. Ported Stock Intake
The only change being made at this current time, which was later on in the day was the SPINFast intake. You will notice that the temperature had increased to almost 104 degrees.

386/381. 104 degrees. Gain of 17hp/20tq

What is even more substantial is that this gain occurs all the way through the band on torque and gradually increases on the hp.
You will notice on the graph that there is a 13hp/17tq gain at 4k and both continually increase all the way to the end of the pull.
Again, bear in mind that this is at 10 degrees hotter which could possibly account for a little more room to gain.

Guy (Spinmonster) will be posting the dyno sheets for me so that everyone can get a look at them.
Passing power is greatly improved as is light to light driving for the everyday driver who doesnt want a high rpm only mod for drag racing.

My manifolds are ported and matched to stock heads unless you advise me of a different head.

Here is a lower 1/2 of the manifold being checked for port match. The manifold is on a stock 243 LS2 head to illustrate the airflow path:


Ported TB available at $100. Lots of extra work is done such as an epoxy painted frame and a polished motor assembly:



Throttle body on my car:


Pic of the finished plenum:


Runners arent hacked. Transitions are smoothed and then high speed buffing removes the tool marks. This is before the buffing:


The modded rear graft is held in place by large amounts of GOOP!! (kidding of course). JB Weld is used here and smoothed perfectly:


The rear mod pictured above is to allow it to fit the 2005 to 2007 without hacking up the firewall.

On the car:


Current FAST prep pricing is $339.00. It includes everything need to install it from fuel rail to injector o-rings. Return shipping is included to the cont 48 states. PAYPAL accepted with no additional fees.
PM for details/deals

I also port the stock manifold TB combo for $250+return shipping. PM for info.

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Old Jul 27, 2009 | 06:31 PM
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I often see cars popping codes from over done porting on throttle bodies. If this happened to you I can help. Please PM. My throttle bodies do not set codes off and you dont have to delete those codes in your tune.

In addition the throttle bodies look really good after the porting. The motor assembly is polished and the frame is painted.
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Old Jul 27, 2009 | 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by LAWLESS
Should i get a new ported intake???

Should i ported the stock intake???

And what mm should it be ported to???

And stupid question....does the throttle body have to be ported also???
I have a ported fast by spinmonster and the results and performance were amazing.. In my opinion it was a very worth while mod. You will probably pick up somewhere around 20-25 rwhp with this intake.
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Old Jul 28, 2009 | 02:51 AM
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Spin really knows what he is talking about. You won't be sorry if you go with a SpinMonster Ported FAST.

I love mine.
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Old Jul 28, 2009 | 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by SgtRod
Why such an adement no? Not a fan of porting devil dawg? Please say why. It may answer some questions to problems I'm having.
what? your having a problem because your manifold isn't ported? the stock 90mm manifold WILL support 1200hp,for the expense of a ported manifold I don't believe there worth, lets see some graphs of just a manifold swap, not anything else, no nothing! just a swap, weiand did this with an ls2 GTO{which is denutted to start with} and picked up 17hp, now their's was supposed to be about $650.00, look at the prices of the others, there's even an aftermarket car builder that stopped using the leading aftermarket manifold maker due to delamination issue's and said that hp loss /gain was minimal anyway! and then the fire wall issue, so let's see side by side graph's. oh yea, I'm not a fan of headers for the same reasons, money beter spent some where else! heck for the price of headers and a fast and installation. you can S/C and mop the floor with the other car!
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Old Jul 28, 2009 | 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by CMY SIX
oh yea, I'm not a fan of headers for the same reasons, money beter spent some where else! heck for the price of headers and a fast and installation. you can S/C and mop the floor with the other car!
This is an interesting point...in the past, putting a decent centrifugal supercharger on a late model Corvette has been somewhat cost prohibitive and complicated but now with these less costly 'all inclusive' kits out there and the advances in tuning software/capabilities it has become more accessible.
Going with an Eaton style (Magnacharger) is even more simple but 1) doesn't provide the same gains/can create some heat issues and 2) requires a hood swap which does unnecessarily add to the cost.
While I do not agree that one cannot obtain notable gains from a FAST intake, long tube header, CAI and tuning install (it has been proven time and again that one does gain from it), the cost of all of that (plus labor) could start to creep up very close to the cost of a base supercharger kit plus install and the net power results of that blower alone should easily exceed the gains obtained from the other parts.
Of course the blower install also benefits even more from the addition/inclusion of long tube headers as well but the CAI and FAST intake become unnecessary when doing a blower which is a plus.
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Old Jul 28, 2009 | 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by LAWLESS
Should i get a new ported intake???

Should i ported the stock intake???

And what mm should it be ported to???

And stupid question....does the throttle body have to be ported also???
I picked up almost .15 and 2mph in the 1/4 on a ported stock intake. Well worth the money in my opinion.
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Old Jul 29, 2009 | 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by CMY SIX
what? your having a problem because your manifold isn't ported? the stock 90mm manifold WILL support 1200hp,for the expense of a ported manifold I don't believe there worth, lets see some graphs of just a manifold swap, not anything else, no nothing! just a swap, weiand did this with an ls2 GTO{which is denutted to start with} and picked up 17hp, now their's was supposed to be about $650.00, look at the prices of the others, there's even an aftermarket car builder that stopped using the leading aftermarket manifold maker due to delamination issue's and said that hp loss /gain was minimal anyway! and then the fire wall issue, so let's see side by side graph's. oh yea, I'm not a fan of headers for the same reasons, money beter spent some where else! heck for the price of headers and a fast and installation. you can S/C and mop the floor with the other car!
A base kit is 5200 and it needs a real tune. This is assuming you do the install yourself. 7k is the price installed at the cheapest places.

A fast 1100 and headers, 1500-1800 depending on model and a tune is less than 1/2 that and you do it in steps. I agree, if you can afford it get the S/C. Better yet do all the above and have 700rwhp. Mr BIG got 760 with a P1 head unit by maximizing all the mods listed here.

Most people take little steps but the fastest cars dont run without headers and some porting work.

Anyway, saying you can supercharge for the cost of headers, a FAST, and a tune is not true. You're off by $4k.
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Old Jul 29, 2009 | 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by SpinMonster
A base kit is 5200 and it needs a real tune. This is assuming you do the install yourself. 7k is the price installed at the cheapest places.

A fast 1100 and headers, 1500-1800 depending on model and a tune is less than 1/2 that and you do it in steps. I agree, if you can afford it get the S/C. Better yet do all the above and have 700rwhp. Mr BIG got 760 with a P1 head unit by maximizing all the mods listed here.

Most people take little steps but the fastest cars dont run without headers and some porting work.

Anyway, saying you can supercharge for the cost of headers, a FAST, and a tune is not true. You're off by $4k.
excuse me I've seen guys pay $3000 for headers/install alone, close to $2000 for a manifold/install alone, add tune. I can get a vortech INSTALLED/TUNED $6200.00, by the time these guys get done "doing it in steps" they've got that or more in it and still hav'nt got the HP! and have no issue's with smog or visual inspection!

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Those prices you are quoting for parts and labor are stupid high. Your friends that are paying those outragous prices should shop around before they spend their money for mods....
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Originally Posted by Vette Pro
Those prices you are quoting for parts and labor are stupid high. Your friends that are paying those outragous prices should shop around before they spend their money for mods....
As an example, Vette Doctor's here on Long Island is very reasonable with their shop rates.
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Old Jul 30, 2009 | 09:15 PM
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Those prices you are quoting for parts and labor are stupid high. Your friends that are paying those outragous prices should shop around before they spend their money for mods....
not friends, people on the forum, whats the price for a set of long tubes? $1400-1800? how long for complete install, $75.00 an hr for labor would be cheap, more like $100-150 whats a tune?$3-500.00? and we still have to get the exhaust hooked up to the new headers, tell me all about stupid high, I live in the real world!
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Texas Speed has a new header system out for $750. My Chevrolet dealership that does most of the work on my car is $65/hr, and they are VERY good.
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Originally Posted by CMY SIX
not friends, people on the forum, whats the price for a set of long tubes? $1400-1800? how long for complete install, $75.00 an hr for labor would be cheap, more like $100-150 whats a tune?$3-500.00? and we still have to get the exhaust hooked up to the new headers, tell me all about stupid high, I live in the real world!
You could get close to 3 grand, but 3000 would be real high.

Say 1700 for the most expensive headers, 500 for dynotune and 500 for install (which would be high...closer to 300 usually).

So I could see up to 2700 for headers, install, and tune....if you dont get a deal on anything and decide to buy ridiculously priced headers.
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If you have the money to do the supercharger thats great go for it. I don't know why theres always the guys who say the LT and Intakes and porting are worthless and you should just jump in and get blown. Spinmonster is right, the LT's and intakes we can do in stages. Some of us asking these questions have just recently purchased our cars, and if we were looking to immediately drop in 7k for the kit, and 4-5k for the supporting mods right away, I think a number of us would have just bought a Z. He's asking about porting, why does it have to turn into an argument about FI?
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