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Old Mar 17, 2010 | 09:23 AM
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I am going to put in a Cam but I was wondering if you need to do the timming chain and pushrods. The installer recommends it but is it needed.
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not the timing chain. but valve springs, push rods are something you need if the cam is any kind of a decent size
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not the timing chain. but valve springs, push rods are something you need if the cam is any kind of a decent size
Many would disagree with your assessment on the timing chain replacement question. It isn't a big cost driver while you are in there so why take the risk?

http://store.katechengines.com/c5-r-...chain-p30.aspx

Do a search on Timing Chain Failure....it might help answer the question for you.

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Yep, you're in there. . . swap that chain.
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How many miles are on the car? i mean the stock chains are going for WELL over 100k with no problems. i am sure you can find a failure, but its not the norm.
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Once you are in there it is good insurance to replace with a quality chain.
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Once you are in there it is good insurance to replace with a quality chain.
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Old Mar 17, 2010 | 11:42 AM
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Several shops use a new LS2/factory chain, they cost around $42-$45...I would do this at the minimum.
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I don't see any discussion on valve spring replacement here. Are you planning on using the stock valve springs also?
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Sorry he was going to change the springs also. Prices here I think are a bit more expensive. I got a quote of $3700 for the Cam,Springs,Pushrods,Timming Chain, Dyno install does that sound right.
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Even in the vette-tax happy parts of Chicagoland that sounds high.

Though I did have someone quote me that for just labor around here.
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Sorry he was going to change the springs also. Prices here I think are a bit more expensive. I got a quote of $3700 for the Cam,Springs,Pushrods,Timming Chain, Dyno install does that sound right.
sounds high, mine was around 2100$ from what i remember
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Originally Posted by rskeller
Sorry he was going to change the springs also. Prices here I think are a bit more expensive. I got a quote of $3700 for the Cam,Springs,Pushrods,Timming Chain, Dyno install does that sound right.

If you assume $600.00 for a full dyno tune, $1,800 for a complete kit from LG (cam, dual springs, retainers, pushrods and timing chain) and $150.00 worth of misc. parts/pieces such as timing cover gasket, oil pickup o-ring, crank seal, water pump gaskets, new crank bolt, gallon of antifreeze and maybe a fresh oil change. That leaves somewhere in the neighborhood of $1,200 for labor. Definitely not in the category of being a bargain but probably not too far out of the ball park either for a quality job.

Damn...$3.7k is a lot money!...now I remember the second reason I started doing my own work! First reason was quality control.

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I had another quote I wont mention from where but labour was 14hrs times 125/hr plus all the parts 1500.00 and the dyno 4hrs times 125/hr and so on and so on. So 3700.00 sounded pretty good.
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The timing chain is far more important than the pushrods but if you're approaching a cam swap with the mind set to save a hundred or two in cost, your are a prime candidate for a 7-10000 dollar repair bill. Do it right and its a 2000 dollar mod. I wouldnt go with the cheapest bidder. I would buy reputation.

When I get appraoched by guys wanting mods and they tell me to buy what I think is best, I do a the job. When I get appoached by a guy asking accounting questions, I cant sleep so good and wind up canceling the job. I dont do budget installs even when its for free for a friend. It winds up costing far more down the road. You wouldnt risk a 10000 dollar investment for a 100 dollar profit so why use that mentality when it comes to an expensive car?
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Old Mar 18, 2010 | 12:28 PM
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First of all I am not questioning $100.00 I want quality and price like I am sure all of us do. That is why the forum is here, we ask questions and see what the responds is and then we make our decisions. I just find here in Alberta prices are way to high compared to everywhere else. But hey if you want the mod and your happy with it you will end up paying what ever.
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Not starting ****. and i am sure it never hurts to put a new chain on.

BUT

most cam installs use the stocker, (maybe not on this vette forum, but other lsx forums).
back in the day, people bought the stock ls2 chain for ls1's (so its not that bad) but they allways make better. But i will be unsing my stock ls2 chain with 30k on it. (if it opos i will let you gues know and ick my own ***.)

to the people posting quotes.....DAMN thats alot!

Here is a break down of my cost.
cam = $350 (free shipping)
partiot dual gold spring kit = $255 (fres shiping)
7.4 harden push rods = $100 (free shipping)
Powerbond Underdrive pully (with new bolt, and belts) = $220 shipped

parts total is $925.00

200 bucks for the laybor (normally 400) but i want to do it, and use his shop with his help, he is a friend. (that includes gaskets, and fluids to refille)

100 bucks on dyno time.

total $1225.00
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Originally Posted by mittens
Not starting ****. and i am sure it never hurts to put a new chain on.

BUT

most cam installs use the stocker, (maybe not on this vette forum, but other lsx forums).
back in the day, people bought the stock ls2 chain for ls1's (so its not that bad) but they allways make better. But i will be unsing my stock ls2 chain with 30k on it. (if it opos i will let you gues know and ick my own ***.)

to the people posting quotes.....DAMN thats alot!

Here is a break down of my cost.
cam = $350 (free shipping)
partiot dual gold spring kit = $255 (fres shiping)
7.4 harden push rods = $100 (free shipping)
Powerbond Underdrive pully (with new bolt, and belts) = $220 shipped

parts total is $925.00

200 bucks for the laybor (normally 400) but i want to do it, and use his shop with his help, he is a friend. (that includes gaskets, and fluids to refille)

100 bucks on dyno time.

total $1225.00
Just curious...what is the going labor rate at your buddy's garage?
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Just curious...what is the going labor rate at your buddy's garage?
Not sure really, the only things i have ever had done by someone else, was a valve spring swap that was 100 bucks. and for a cam swap its 400.

He is well known in the south, and is known by the top vendors on this sight, not shade tree. They are allways workingon something crazy.
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Originally Posted by mittens
Not sure really, the only things i have ever had done by someone else, was a valve spring swap that was 100 bucks. and for a cam swap its 400.

He is well known in the south, and is known by the top vendors on this sight, not shade tree. They are allways workingon something crazy.
No disrespect intended to your wrench. I was just amazed at that labor amount you quoted. I couldn't get the local Corvette mechanic to even fart near my car for less than $100.00 much less do anything to it!

I still say you should put in a fresh timing chain! And don't forget to lock-tite down those cam bolts!
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