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Old Jun 14, 2010 | 03:49 PM
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'05 C6/Z51 with 25K miles...."pulsing" in pedal from hard stops. Initial thought was warped rotor, although car has never been tracked & mileage is low (weekend driver). Pulled a wheel & found the rotor to be smooth as a baby's butt with plenty of material left on the pads. I don't have a run-out gauge, but spun the rotor & didn't feel anything odd with finger pressure on the swept surface (admittedly not very scientific). Only thing I noticed was that when I had installed Cray wheels several months ago, I had not removed the factory rotor retainers & they both (2 on opposite studs) appeared crushed. Apparently, the OEM wheels must have a machined relief on the inner side while the forged wheels do not. I've removed the retainers, but thunderstorms started up & I didn't have the opportunity for a test drive. Will do that later this week. Only thing I can think of is that the few thousandths thickness of the retainers was somehow creating an imbalance under braking. Anyone experience anything similar? I sure don't want to cut or replace the rotors unless I'm sure of the fix.
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'05 C6/Z51 with 25K miles...."pulsing" in pedal from hard stops. Initial thought was warped rotor, although car has never been tracked & mileage is low (weekend driver). Pulled a wheel & found the rotor to be smooth as a baby's butt with plenty of material left on the pads. I don't have a run-out gauge, but spun the rotor & didn't feel anything odd with finger pressure on the swept surface (admittedly not very scientific). Only thing I noticed was that when I had installed Cray wheels several months ago, I had not removed the factory rotor retainers & they both (2 on opposite studs) appeared crushed. Apparently, the OEM wheels must have a machined relief on the inner side while the forged wheels do not. I've removed the retainers, but thunderstorms started up & I didn't have the opportunity for a test drive. Will do that later this week. Only thing I can think of is that the few thousandths thickness of the retainers was somehow creating an imbalance under braking. Anyone experience anything similar? I sure don't want to cut or replace the rotors unless I'm sure of the fix.
Could this be from the ABS system?
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Old Jun 14, 2010 | 09:31 PM
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yes, ABS and normal
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Old Jun 15, 2010 | 04:03 AM
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Leaving those tabs on with aftermarket wheels usually shows up as a high speed vibration.

If it's not 'normal' ABS action, is there anything loose in the suspension or calipers?
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'05 C6/Z51 with 25K miles...."pulsing" in pedal from hard stops. Initial thought was warped rotor, although car has never been tracked & mileage is low (weekend driver). Pulled a wheel & found the rotor to be smooth as a baby's butt with plenty of material left on the pads. I don't have a run-out gauge, but spun the rotor & didn't feel anything odd with finger pressure on the swept surface (admittedly not very scientific). Only thing I noticed was that when I had installed Cray wheels several months ago, I had not removed the factory rotor retainers & they both (2 on opposite studs) appeared crushed. Apparently, the OEM wheels must have a machined relief on the inner side while the forged wheels do not. I've removed the retainers, but thunderstorms started up & I didn't have the opportunity for a test drive. Will do that later this week. Only thing I can think of is that the few thousandths thickness of the retainers was somehow creating an imbalance under braking. Anyone experience anything similar? I sure don't want to cut or replace the rotors unless I'm sure of the fix.
As stated above, before you begin tearing into the car or chasing a bunch of leads, I recommend you drive either another 'Vette or some other ABS equipped car and be completely sure this is not your ABS. A pulsing pedal is normal once ABS is engaged and working properly. You may also hear what sounds like rapid, intermittent grinding which is the ABS system at work.
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C'mon!
The OP didn't mention anything about engaging the ABS. You have to get on the brakes pretty hard to do that.
The first thing to do for a pulsing pedal is a few hard stops from about 60 to 10 mph.
My brake pedal pulses every time after I wash the car- probably due to rust on the rotors. A few hard stops fixes everything.
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Originally Posted by Dave S
'05 C6/Z51 with 25K miles...."pulsing" in pedal from hard stops. Initial thought was warped rotor, although car has never been tracked & mileage is low (weekend driver). Pulled a wheel & found the rotor to be smooth as a baby's butt with plenty of material left on the pads. I don't have a run-out gauge, but spun the rotor & didn't feel anything odd with finger pressure on the swept surface (admittedly not very scientific). Only thing I noticed was that when I had installed Cray wheels several months ago, I had not removed the factory rotor retainers & they both (2 on opposite studs) appeared crushed. Apparently, the OEM wheels must have a machined relief on the inner side while the forged wheels do not. I've removed the retainers, but thunderstorms started up & I didn't have the opportunity for a test drive. Will do that later this week. Only thing I can think of is that the few thousandths thickness of the retainers was somehow creating an imbalance under braking. Anyone experience anything similar? I sure don't want to cut or replace the rotors unless I'm sure of the fix.
You will not be able to see or feel a rotor that is out of parallel or that has excessive runout . A runout gauge or a lathe will reveal this condition. As little as .005" out can cause pedal pulsation.
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Thanks guys....I doubt that it's the ABS....I'm pretty familiar with that feel & I'm feeling the pulsations on dry roads with no apparent wheel slip under braking.....and everything is tight. I'm traveling on business this week, but when I get home, I'll do a test drive to see if removal of the retainers has any effect. And yes, I have felt a slight vibration at 90/100+ so even if the retainers have nothing to do with the brake pulsing, removal may cure the high speed vibration. Will post more at end of the week.
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It could be uneven pad deposits on the rotors. Like was mentioned above a few hard stops (no need to stop hard enough to engage the abs) from 60 to 10 will clean the rotors. Do not come to a full stop and then also drive about 15 minutes if you can without using the brakes to let them cool. There's a lot of good information on I believe it's Stoptech's site.
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