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Old Jun 28, 2010 | 12:53 PM
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So i have heard that the 05 diff is garbage, which pains me greatly. I have a 416ci LS3 waiting to go in my 05 z51. Obviously i would tear the diff apart with that motor (made 515 rwhp, and 490 rwtq in my GTO).

Now ive looked into updating to an 06 diff. and while i feel this is the best option, it is amazingly expensive. by the time you get an 06 core, and have it built by DTE, or RPM, or whomever its 3-5k + the new housing on the 05 trans.

So my question is this, any of you put any real power through an 05 diff? is the DTE 05 diff build worth it?

Thanks guys!
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Old Jun 28, 2010 | 01:10 PM
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I was looking at the same thing with my 05, putting the e-force in.
With all my research on this, the weak link is the output shafts there is a knurl on shaft that transitions the different splines . I was just going to upgrade to stronger output shafts. And maybe fab up a similar girdle to DTE . We are in the same boat keep me posted .
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Old Jun 28, 2010 | 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by deano9666
I was looking at the same thing with my 05, putting the e-force in.
With all my research on this, the weak link is the output shafts there is a knurl on shaft that transitions the different splines . I was just going to upgrade to stronger output shafts. And maybe fab up a similar girdle to DTE . We are in the same boat keep me posted .
Will do... but from what im hearing its the casing that is the weak spot... apparently it flexes under load and go boom..

I wish there was a simple answer for us though
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Old Jun 28, 2010 | 01:24 PM
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I was 762rwhp on my last set-up.with a 4L65E. stock 05 diff and shafts. 80k miles. best 60ft was 1.54. i always leave on motor. best 330ft. time was 4.00 on a 300 shot of juice. even the best diffs will brake if your trying to get your time from the 60ft. also i have the 2.73 gear.less shock.
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Old Jun 28, 2010 | 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Nasty C6
I was 762rwhp on my last set-up.with a 4L65E. stock 05 diff and shafts. 80k miles. best 60ft was 1.54. i always leave on motor. best 330ft. time was 4.00 on a 300 shot of juice. even the best diffs will brake if your trying to get your time from the 60ft. also i have the 2.73 gear.less shock.
so is the idea that the 05 diff is **** a bit of a myth? or is it more just depends on if you get lucky or not? my tuner is sayin the same thing that he has built many 05 cars with stock diffs and they were fine.. i just dont want to go through all this, split the diff casing, and thrash the trans aswell..
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Old Jun 28, 2010 | 01:38 PM
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Here are the differences.
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Old Jun 28, 2010 | 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Walt White Coupe
Here are the differences.
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god... i swear haha i didnt know it was going to be this much of a nightmare

oh well should be worth it.
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Old Jun 28, 2010 | 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Evil-Z51
Gents,

So i have heard that the 05 diff is garbage, which pains me greatly. I have a 416ci LS3 waiting to go in my 05 z51. Obviously i would tear the diff apart with that motor (made 515 rwhp, and 490 rwtq in my GTO).

Now ive looked into updating to an 06 diff. and while i feel this is the best option, it is amazingly expensive. by the time you get an 06 core, and have it built by DTE, or RPM, or whomever its 3-5k + the new housing on the 05 trans.

So my question is this, any of you put any real power through an 05 diff? is the DTE 05 diff build worth it?

Thanks guys!
DON'T do it. I have horror stories if you want of 05 diffs breaking. not just a busted diff but the worst possible thing you could imagine, thank goodness not my car. its well worth the effort. $3-5k is nothing compared to the damage i am speaking of.
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Old Jun 28, 2010 | 02:31 PM
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you can buy the adapter from rpm, and buy the case and sidecovers from GM and swap your internals
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Old Jun 28, 2010 | 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by dennis50nj
you can buy the adapter from rpm, and buy the case and sidecovers from GM and swap your internals
this sounds like a very good option. when i broke the diff in my 05 i put a zo6 tranny and diff in for less than 3 grand.
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Old Jun 28, 2010 | 02:48 PM
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I believe if you're not drag racing, you'll be fine...
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Old Jun 28, 2010 | 03:46 PM
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Mosof the carnage occurs on the manual transmission 05's. Not many, if any at all, are found on auto's.
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Old Jun 28, 2010 | 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by dennis50nj
you can buy the adapter from rpm, and buy the case and sidecovers from GM and swap your internals
really? hmm wonder what that would run... cause my diff seems to be fine, and really just rebuilt with clutchpacks would be probably good enough for a while.. hmmm im going to look into that

Originally Posted by rokn91rs
this sounds like a very good option. when i broke the diff in my 05 i put a zo6 tranny and diff in for less than 3 grand.
good god, why cant i find a deal like this? found a trans but for the life of me cannot find a diff

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I believe if you're not drag racing, you'll be fine...
i do want to drag it on occasion, mostly it will be highway stuff, and just regular driving.. but i dont want to risk it

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Mosof the carnage occurs on the manual transmission 05's. Not many, if any at all, are found on auto's.
GAH why me? haha i love having a 6 speed.. dont think i could give it up
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Old Jun 28, 2010 | 04:46 PM
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you can also try this from zip products
http://www.vetteweb.com/tech/vemp_08...wap/index.html
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Old Jun 28, 2010 | 06:00 PM
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Good ol' GM. What a bunch of dumbazzes. Add another 50 hp over the C5, then save $5 in aluminum by designing a thin case differential that is a time bomb waiting to explode. They discovered this small defect in the eleventh hour before production and initiated a software fix. Remember torque management? The truth is this is how they intended to fix the 2005's in order to avoid thousands of warranty claims. What a bunch of bill$h!t. I wish some enterprising lawyer would initiate a class action against GM. Owners of 2005 mn6's can't flex the car's performance for fear of grenading the differential, and on some occasions the tranny with it. That's about an $8k repair at Mr. Goodwitch. All the DTE brace does is protect the tranny from being pulled out in a catastrophic failure. It does nothing to reinforce the case. At one point, I understood they were developing a bullet proof case for the 2005's, but, I guess we 2005 owners have become stepchildren of the differential, and no one cares about us anymore. I've never enjoyed the practice of a drag strip start or a burn out for fear of a differential case failure.

GM sux
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Old Jun 28, 2010 | 06:08 PM
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594rwhp/482rwtq... no problems yet.
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Old Jun 28, 2010 | 06:08 PM
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Why don't you get the DTE brace to protect the trans and then if you blow the differential you'll have the same cost of replacing it then as doing it now. And if you don't blow it, much less expensive.

Also, with street tires if you don't get into it with wheel hop you'll probably be ok anyway.
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Originally Posted by EuroRod
Good ol' GM. What a bunch of dumbazzes. Add another 50 hp over the C5, then save $5 in aluminum by designing a thin case differential that is a time bomb waiting to explode. They discovered this small defect in the eleventh hour before production and initiated a software fix. Remember torque management? The truth is this is how they intended to fix the 2005's in order to avoid thousands of warranty claims. What a bunch of bill$h!t. I wish some enterprising lawyer would initiate a class action against GM. Owners of 2005 mn6's can't flex the car's performance for fear of grenading the differential, and on some occasions the tranny with it. That's about an $8k repair at Mr. Goodwitch. All the DTE brace does is protect the tranny from being pulled out in a catastrophic failure. It does nothing to reinforce the case. At one point, I understood they were developing a bullet proof case for the 2005's, but, I guess we 2005 owners have become stepchildren of the differential, and no one cares about us anymore. I've never enjoyed the practice of a drag strip start or a burn out for fear of a differential case failure.

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you should try it its great fun
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Originally Posted by BartonekDragRacing
594rwhp/482rwtq... no problems yet.
auto or Stick though? seems to be only m6 cars running into that
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auto or Stick though? seems to be only m6 cars running into that
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