Red Top/Yellow top Optima
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Taking threads into the direction you want them, away from what the OP says it is, is called hijacking.
The forum rules state that if a thread is resurfaced after more than 45 days (what you did) and the topic isnt extending the first (OP's info) the thread gets locked. I hate having to send PM's to admin to get my threads unlocked when I need to resurface them for additional info. This happens quite often to me. People come to this thread for info on Optima batteries sometimes to relocate them and not altenratives that cant go inside the car. I know you are just trying to help but so many times I have done really long threads sharing really involved material that takes me hours to compile and type out, burning the midnight oil. The thread then gets locked because you werent on the OP's topic or its more than 45 days. I have threads that go into the thousands of views and hundreds of posts on specific topics and then it gets locked and I cant get into it. When a person does a search on "Optima red/yellow tops" they are searching for info on that topic and not what others think is relvant.
Please accept my appology for the abruptness here. Simply understand I have had my threads locked for this very reason and its frustrating.
The forum rules state that if a thread is resurfaced after more than 45 days (what you did) and the topic isnt extending the first (OP's info) the thread gets locked. I hate having to send PM's to admin to get my threads unlocked when I need to resurface them for additional info. This happens quite often to me. People come to this thread for info on Optima batteries sometimes to relocate them and not altenratives that cant go inside the car. I know you are just trying to help but so many times I have done really long threads sharing really involved material that takes me hours to compile and type out, burning the midnight oil. The thread then gets locked because you werent on the OP's topic or its more than 45 days. I have threads that go into the thousands of views and hundreds of posts on specific topics and then it gets locked and I cant get into it. When a person does a search on "Optima red/yellow tops" they are searching for info on that topic and not what others think is relvant.
Please accept my appology for the abruptness here. Simply understand I have had my threads locked for this very reason and its frustrating.
I normally enjoy your posts and have gained a lot of good information from them. I have also learned a lot from other members who post to your threads. This forum is about information sharing. Accordingly, I do post information when I think it will benefit others. Members who search for "Optima Red/Yellow Tops" are probably looking for a battery and may be very interested in knowing that there are other high quality alternatives. I don't know whether the Platinum will fit into the rear compartment but it is advertised as being the same type (AGM) of battery as the Optima. I was assuming that it could be used in the rear. Someone else may be able to answer that question definitively.
To suggest that I am hijacking your thread is quite a stretch....but if you really believe that to be true, you should report that to a moderator.
I do agree with your statement that your comments were abrupt and merited an apology.
Andy
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Here is Sears' post from thier website:
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_02850034000P
It says
•Plates made of 99.99% pure virgin lead
•High purity grade acid held safely in place by glass mats; non-spillable design
Im no battery expert but I do expect that lead plates and purtiy grade acid makes it a lead/acid battery and thus disqualifies it for use inside the car in the rear compartment. Am I missing something here? Are you saying it isnt an issue to mount it inside because of the AGM construction? I know Optima uses the batteries inside cars with high powered stereos as thats a big market for them.
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_02850034000P
It says
•Plates made of 99.99% pure virgin lead
•High purity grade acid held safely in place by glass mats; non-spillable design
Im no battery expert but I do expect that lead plates and purtiy grade acid makes it a lead/acid battery and thus disqualifies it for use inside the car in the rear compartment. Am I missing something here? Are you saying it isnt an issue to mount it inside because of the AGM construction? I know Optima uses the batteries inside cars with high powered stereos as thats a big market for them.
I'm only saying that both the Optima and the DieHard Platinum/Odyssey batteries are AGM (Absorbed Glass Mat) VRLA (Valve Regulated Lead-Acid) GRT (Gas Recombinant Technology) type. So if you feel comfortable with the Optima inside your car, the DieHard Platinum/Odyssey should be OK as well. Both batteries *MAY* vent if improperly charged. Note the pressure relief valves on the Optima.
Here is some excellent reading from the Battery FAQ at http://www.batteryfaq.org/
7.1.4. AGM [Absorbed Glass Mat] (Ca/Ca) VRLA
Sealed Absorbed Glass Mat (Ca/Ca) VRLA car and deep cycle batteries (also know as "starved electrolyte" or "dry") have a very fine fiber Boron-Silicate glass mat between their flat Lead with Calcium alloy in the positive and Lead with Calcium alloy in the negative plates. The AGM battery was invented in 1980 and first used in military aircraft in 1985. They have all of the advantages of the "Maintenance Free" (Ca/Ca) batteries plus:
•Much safer then wet batteries (due the hydrogen gas recombination during charging)
•Do not require water
•Lower self-discharge rate (typically 1%-2% per month)
•Longer service life
•Higher resistance to vibration
•Lower deep discharge failure
•Less forgiving when accidentally overcharged
•Higher bulk charge acceptance rate (which means up to a 15% shorter recharge time and reduced cost)
•Lower tolerance for heat
•Do not require special hazardous shipping
•Can be used in saltwater applications
•Spill proof and can be mounted in virtually any position (because they are sealed)
•Can be used inside a semi-enclosed area, like the passenger compartment or trunk
•Greater terminal corrosion resistance
•Less charging voltage tolerance
•Not subject to sulfation from electrolyte stratification or water loss
•Charging losses of 4% and maximum continuous discharge rate 33% of their capacity
Relocating the vehicle's starting battery to the passenger compartment or trunk is becoming more popular because vehicle manufacturers want to extend their "bumper-to-bumper" warranty periods, to avoid underhood temperature extremes, to provide more weight in the rear, or to save underhood space. Use a vented wet battery or GRT (Gas Recombinant Technology) AGM (Ca/Ca) or Gel Cell (Ca/Ca) VRLA battery. GRT simply means that 90% or more of the gasses are recombined back into water during recharging and contained within each cell and special venting is not required. AGM (Ca/Ca) VRLA batteries are more expensive than wet "Maintenance Free" (Ca/Ca) batteries. Some AGM (Ca/Ca) batteries, for example Concorde, can be equalized. They will accept all the power that a charging system will produce. This means if you are using an alternator sized at 25% (or less) of the capacity of a deep cycle battery bank, it is possible to overheat an air cooled alternator and burn it up during a long bulk charging phase. For large capacity deep cycle battery banks, using a high output alternator, voltage regulator with an alternator temperature sensor or water cooled alternator is highly recommended. A thermally protected alternator should not exceed 33% of the capacity of the battery bank being charged.
You can expect AGM (Ca/Ca) VRLA starting batteries to the $80 to $100 range as more competition occurs. Examples of sealed AGM (Ca/Ca) VRLA batteries are Concorde's Lifeline, EnerSys' Odyssey, or East Penn. An AGM (Ca/Ca) battery can normally replace a wet Low Maintenance (Sb/Ca) or wet "Maintenance Free" (Ca/Ca) battery, but a wet Low Maintenance (Sb/Ca) battery normally cannot replace an AGM (Ca/Ca) VRLA battery without adjusting the charging voltages. 36-volt AGM (Ca/Ca) starting batteries with 14/42-volt dual or 42-volt electrical systems offered by some of the premium car manufacturers starting in the 2003 model year. In the near term, expect to see more sealed AGM (Ca/Ca) batteries replacing wet Low Maintenance (Sb/Ca) and wet sealed "Maintenance Free" (Ca/Ca) lead-acid batteries. Nickel-Metal-Hydride (NiHM) and Lithium Ion (LiIon) batteries and Super Capacitors will used in hybrid and electric vehicle automotive applications, which might eventually be replaced by fuel cells in the next 10-20 years. Please see Collyn Rivers' article Absorbed Glass Mat Batteries for more information on AGM batteries.
7.1.5. Spiral Wound AGM (Absorbed Glass Mat)VRLA
For excessive vibration applications, in off-road operation, or extreme conditions, it is best to use a spiral wound AGM VRLA (Valve Regulated Lead-Acid) car or deep cycle battery because there is no shedding of active plate material since the plates are immobilized. In addition, they also use GRT (Gas Recombinant Technology) and have all of the characteristics of the AGM (Ca/Ca) VRLA batteries with Lead with Calcium alloy in the positive and Lead with Calcium alloy in the spiral wound plates plus:
•Withstand up to 15 times more vibration
•Up to twice the number of cycles than a wet lead-acid battery
•Smaller
•Recharges faster reducing charging cost
•Wider absorption and float charging voltage variance
•Withstand heat better
•Charging losses of 4% and maximum continuous discharge rate 33% of their capacity
Examples of spiral wound AGM VRLA batteries are Johnson Controls' Optima, Exide's Select Orbital or Maxxima, EnerSys' Cyclon, BLS, or ToPin. Typically spiral wound AGM car batteries cost between $90 and $150 and deep cycle versions cost more.
SPIRAL WOUND AGM BATTERY
[Source: Optima]
Sealed Absorbed Glass Mat (Ca/Ca) VRLA car and deep cycle batteries (also know as "starved electrolyte" or "dry") have a very fine fiber Boron-Silicate glass mat between their flat Lead with Calcium alloy in the positive and Lead with Calcium alloy in the negative plates. The AGM battery was invented in 1980 and first used in military aircraft in 1985. They have all of the advantages of the "Maintenance Free" (Ca/Ca) batteries plus:
•Much safer then wet batteries (due the hydrogen gas recombination during charging)
•Do not require water
•Lower self-discharge rate (typically 1%-2% per month)
•Longer service life
•Higher resistance to vibration
•Lower deep discharge failure
•Less forgiving when accidentally overcharged
•Higher bulk charge acceptance rate (which means up to a 15% shorter recharge time and reduced cost)
•Lower tolerance for heat
•Do not require special hazardous shipping
•Can be used in saltwater applications
•Spill proof and can be mounted in virtually any position (because they are sealed)
•Can be used inside a semi-enclosed area, like the passenger compartment or trunk
•Greater terminal corrosion resistance
•Less charging voltage tolerance
•Not subject to sulfation from electrolyte stratification or water loss
•Charging losses of 4% and maximum continuous discharge rate 33% of their capacity
Relocating the vehicle's starting battery to the passenger compartment or trunk is becoming more popular because vehicle manufacturers want to extend their "bumper-to-bumper" warranty periods, to avoid underhood temperature extremes, to provide more weight in the rear, or to save underhood space. Use a vented wet battery or GRT (Gas Recombinant Technology) AGM (Ca/Ca) or Gel Cell (Ca/Ca) VRLA battery. GRT simply means that 90% or more of the gasses are recombined back into water during recharging and contained within each cell and special venting is not required. AGM (Ca/Ca) VRLA batteries are more expensive than wet "Maintenance Free" (Ca/Ca) batteries. Some AGM (Ca/Ca) batteries, for example Concorde, can be equalized. They will accept all the power that a charging system will produce. This means if you are using an alternator sized at 25% (or less) of the capacity of a deep cycle battery bank, it is possible to overheat an air cooled alternator and burn it up during a long bulk charging phase. For large capacity deep cycle battery banks, using a high output alternator, voltage regulator with an alternator temperature sensor or water cooled alternator is highly recommended. A thermally protected alternator should not exceed 33% of the capacity of the battery bank being charged.
You can expect AGM (Ca/Ca) VRLA starting batteries to the $80 to $100 range as more competition occurs. Examples of sealed AGM (Ca/Ca) VRLA batteries are Concorde's Lifeline, EnerSys' Odyssey, or East Penn. An AGM (Ca/Ca) battery can normally replace a wet Low Maintenance (Sb/Ca) or wet "Maintenance Free" (Ca/Ca) battery, but a wet Low Maintenance (Sb/Ca) battery normally cannot replace an AGM (Ca/Ca) VRLA battery without adjusting the charging voltages. 36-volt AGM (Ca/Ca) starting batteries with 14/42-volt dual or 42-volt electrical systems offered by some of the premium car manufacturers starting in the 2003 model year. In the near term, expect to see more sealed AGM (Ca/Ca) batteries replacing wet Low Maintenance (Sb/Ca) and wet sealed "Maintenance Free" (Ca/Ca) lead-acid batteries. Nickel-Metal-Hydride (NiHM) and Lithium Ion (LiIon) batteries and Super Capacitors will used in hybrid and electric vehicle automotive applications, which might eventually be replaced by fuel cells in the next 10-20 years. Please see Collyn Rivers' article Absorbed Glass Mat Batteries for more information on AGM batteries.
7.1.5. Spiral Wound AGM (Absorbed Glass Mat)VRLA
For excessive vibration applications, in off-road operation, or extreme conditions, it is best to use a spiral wound AGM VRLA (Valve Regulated Lead-Acid) car or deep cycle battery because there is no shedding of active plate material since the plates are immobilized. In addition, they also use GRT (Gas Recombinant Technology) and have all of the characteristics of the AGM (Ca/Ca) VRLA batteries with Lead with Calcium alloy in the positive and Lead with Calcium alloy in the spiral wound plates plus:
•Withstand up to 15 times more vibration
•Up to twice the number of cycles than a wet lead-acid battery
•Smaller
•Recharges faster reducing charging cost
•Wider absorption and float charging voltage variance
•Withstand heat better
•Charging losses of 4% and maximum continuous discharge rate 33% of their capacity
Examples of spiral wound AGM VRLA batteries are Johnson Controls' Optima, Exide's Select Orbital or Maxxima, EnerSys' Cyclon, BLS, or ToPin. Typically spiral wound AGM car batteries cost between $90 and $150 and deep cycle versions cost more.
SPIRAL WOUND AGM BATTERY
[Source: Optima]
Spin - I enjoy your posts... Peace brother!
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Spin,
I'm only saying that both the Optima and the DieHard Platinum/Odyssey batteries are AGM (Absorbed Glass Mat) VRLA (Valve Regulated Lead-Acid) GRT (Gas Recombinant Technology) type. So if you feel comfortable with the Optima inside your car, the DieHard Platinum/Odyssey should be OK as well. Both batteries *MAY* vent if improperly charged. Note the pressure relief valves on the Optima.
Spin - I enjoy your posts... Peace brother!
I'm only saying that both the Optima and the DieHard Platinum/Odyssey batteries are AGM (Absorbed Glass Mat) VRLA (Valve Regulated Lead-Acid) GRT (Gas Recombinant Technology) type. So if you feel comfortable with the Optima inside your car, the DieHard Platinum/Odyssey should be OK as well. Both batteries *MAY* vent if improperly charged. Note the pressure relief valves on the Optima.
Spin - I enjoy your posts... Peace brother!
While its great info (that I definitely didnt know), since it isnt about any of the batteries listed on post 1 and the subject is to offer new info in the way of an alternative, the proper thing to do was to start a new thread.
The very real rule:
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/foru...s-or-more.html
If an existing thread has not received a reply for a period of 45 days or more, members should create a new thread which is identical or similar in nature, rather than to post to the existing one.
Similar or identical threads created under 45 days will be considered a dupe, and will be locked accordingly.
Members shall not post to such threads as a means to resurrect them for discussion or as a means to be humorous.
This rule will not apply to technical discussions or to posts in threads where such posts have been made to update the threads with information deemed by moderators to be of benefit to Forum members.
The last line is about updating the original topic with relevant info to it not to offer an altenraitve to the item in the OP.
While this thread isnt the issue, I have typed way into the night burning the midnight oil to get long info threads out, only to have them locked when someone asking for my opinion of reproduction wheels or cam suggestions was off the original topic. I want them available when I want to update them. If they get locked I cant quote them to make a new thread with all the links to pictures and such. I have to send PM's to high places to get them unlocked showing the path of logic as to why. Its a rule even if you disagree with it. Please accept that it affected me quite a few times.
Thanks for sharing the info....Andy too.
Last edited by SpinMonster; Oct 12, 2010 at 06:54 AM.
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St. Jude Donor '08-'09-'10-'11
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Replied to your PM. We'll have to agree to disagree.
Perhaps building a case to request a rule change (or interpretation of the rule) would be the best solution. I would be glad to assist.
Andy
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Here is Sears' post from thier website:
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_02850034000P
It says
•Plates made of 99.99% pure virgin lead
•High purity grade acid held safely in place by glass mats; non-spillable design
Im no battery expert but I do expect that lead plates and purtiy grade acid makes it a lead/acid battery and thus disqualifies it for use inside the car in the rear compartment. Am I missing something here? Are you saying it isnt an issue to mount it inside because of the AGM construction? I know Optima uses the batteries inside cars with high powered stereos as thats a big market for them.
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_02850034000P
It says
•Plates made of 99.99% pure virgin lead
•High purity grade acid held safely in place by glass mats; non-spillable design
Im no battery expert but I do expect that lead plates and purtiy grade acid makes it a lead/acid battery and thus disqualifies it for use inside the car in the rear compartment. Am I missing something here? Are you saying it isnt an issue to mount it inside because of the AGM construction? I know Optima uses the batteries inside cars with high powered stereos as thats a big market for them.
factory. Hear more bad than good on the Optima!
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Looks like everything you needed can be found here: http://www.optimabatteries.com/optim...wtop/specs.php
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