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Old Aug 17, 2010 | 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by JoesC5
I did share my experiences, post #5, as I also did a "cold air" MOD to my 09 Z06. My results mirrored the problem GM addressed in their TSB when air is directed into the air breather from the lower shroud/bumper beam area. Also re-read the last sentence of the TSB "Note: Any modifications to the Air Intake/Air Cleaner Assembly must be removed before attempting repairs for the lean condition". Wonder why GM put that sentence in their TSB? Could it be because they know a little about MODs to the air intake and how they can negatively affect the cars performance.

Sorry, GM's engineering expertise trumps your "Buba" expertise. I suggest you do a search on this forum for "surging" and see what others have to say. Like you, I have some experience in real world MODs to a stock car. I haven't run my car at the drag strip, don't plan to. But, if I can't drive it to the drag strip without surging and setting codes, what have I achieved?

My post #5,

"I'm running the stock air intake with the factory paper filter on my Z06. You have basically the same intake on your Grand Sport. It feeds you plenty of air. When I need to replace the original paper filter, I will install the ZR1 paper filter, as it does flow more air then the filter used in the LS3/LS7.

I did install a Vette-Air scoop to get additional cooler outside air through the grille to the intake, but it requires, in my opinion, a diffuser to keep the intake air turbulence under control. I made my diffuser from a piece of 1/8" Plexiglas, 18" long X 3.5" wide, sealed to the bumper beam with a piece of slit vacuum hose and the ends of the back edge of the diffuser contoured to fit the shroud with around 1/4"-3/8" clearance, for the 4" on each end. The diffuser is mounted to the top of the Vette-Air scoop utilizing the rear two bolts. It's purpose is to keep the incoming rush of air from directly hitting the paper filter. I originally tried the Attack Blue filter in conjunction with the Vette-Air, and had all kinds of problems with air turbulence across the MAF, setting codes and turning on the CEL. I sold the Attack Blue filter."
I believe you may be missing the point here. The OP asked: "What can I expect as far as HP gain...", which clearly indicate he's looking for additional performance. I offered two solutions at opposite ends of the price range and the real world documented performance gains that I personally experienced.

You have muddied the waters by injecting a TSB that relates to factory stock intakes and your unfortunate short-term initial experience with two aftermarket products and a home-brewed solution that supposedly cured your "opinion" of an additional assumed problem. You also offered your unsubstantiated opinion that this mod "will most likely hurt performance". You've additionally insinuated that surging is a permanent condition, when in fact, the
computer slowly adjusts to the sudden changes like countless others who have installed a CAI have experienced.

Somehow I believe my "Buba" dragstrip proven experience with documented and verifiable comparative results trumps your arm-chair quarterback personal opinions.

BTW, I suggest you research the ZR1 filter to verify both the physical compatability with your housing and why it flows more air, before the purchase.
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Old Aug 17, 2010 | 03:33 PM
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I have a Vararam and I never had any "surging" issues.
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Old Aug 18, 2010 | 01:17 AM
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LS3 and LS7 same filters.

Originally Posted by ErnieN85
yes and it's a Donaldson so one of the best there is
another forum member did a temp test and found that air temps were close to outside air with the stock intake!
just not much improvement to be had.


The stock system is very efficient and flows very well.
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Old Aug 18, 2010 | 07:40 AM
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Replace the air filters with either K&N or FRAM Air Hog's
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Old Aug 18, 2010 | 08:42 AM
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I gathered from JoesC5 comments that everything is not "Sunshine and Roses" on mods, and I always appreciate hearing the down side to something before I jump in. Every car can be very different when you start sticking mods on it. Joe had a lot of trouble with something that my car excepted without a hick-up, but I do not mind hearing about potential problems. I hate surprises.
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Old Aug 18, 2010 | 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by lebvette
I gathered from JoesC5 comments that everything is not "Sunshine and Roses" on mods, and I always appreciate hearing the down side to something before I jump in. Every car can be very different when you start sticking mods on it. Joe had a lot of trouble with something that my car excepted without a hick-up, but I do not mind hearing about potential problems. I hate surprises.
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Thanks Larry, I'm glad that someone understood the reasoning behind my posts. Maybe I wasn't as clear as I could have been.

I'm sure nearly everyone has heard of Callaway. I won't go into their background but they sell a CAI called the Honker. Most people don't realize that they have two versions. one for N/A cars and another for supercharged cars. The N/A Honker has the shroud opened and the air is ducted from behind through the air filter(a sealed system to the outside of the airbox compartment). Their Honker used on the supercharger does not have a cut(opened) shroud, but rests on four spacers to hold it ~5/8"-3/4" away from the shroud. It is not a sealed system and draws air from the airbox compartment.
With the Supercharger, they do not modify the shroud in any way to allow outside air in. They must know something that the Bubba's don't know about cutting shrouds and air turbulence since they don't do it on the supercharged Vettes they sell. After spending all that money developing a high performance supercharged car, if Callaway could magically pick up another 15 horses by cutting the shroud, at no expense to them, wouldn't they?

If you check their website and their products you will not find any mention of potential problems with surging when using their Honker, but customers have experienced surging. Customers that experience surging are told that they (Callaway) have a diffuser(louvered panel) part # 203.68.2740, available for $50 to eliminate the surging. Some LS3/LS7 cars have surging, others don't, but for those that do have the surging, Callaway has a diffuser ready to sell them.

People have experienced surging with other brands, while others have not.

GM spends a lot of money engineering their cars and, yes, some MODs do work, if they're well thought out. For the drag racer, he could cut a tenth off his times if removed the heavy rotors and calipers from his car. Who needs brakes when you're accelerating, right. But, the unintended consequences will haunt him when he has to make that tight U-turn at the end of the track to get back to the pits.

Yes, I was a Bubba when I was trying to solve the surging I experienced after I cut my should and installed the Vette-Air, but a life long career as an engineer and an engineering manager in manufacturing might have come into play to help me design a diffuser to solve my problem with the surging.

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Old Aug 18, 2010 | 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by seevi
Replace the air filters with either K&N or FRAM Air Hog's
He has an LS3. It has one filter and neither K&N nor FRAM makes a drop in that I'm aware of.
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Old Aug 20, 2010 | 12:16 AM
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i love my airaid and have had no problems with it either ...
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Given how level the performance gains are, if you factor in value, the Airaid would be the best choice. Factor in fit & finish and I find it very hard to find an equal to the Airaid units.
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