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Old Dec 18, 2010 | 10:57 AM
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Two months ago, I bought a top from a forum member that reported it was off an ’09. I didn’t inspect the top nearly as closely as I should have partially due to the fact that I figured an ’09 top shouldn’t have any issues. I was taking the top to have it painted today when I noticed the top is delaminating from the frame.

In y'all's opinion, is there a way to glue the top well enough to trust it? I bought the top to have as a backup for the clear top that I run most of the time but want it “right” if / when I do use it.

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Old Dec 18, 2010 | 11:34 AM
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If it's really an '09 top I wouldn't expect it to do that. It might be something totally different from the original delam issues or, might really be an older top. I don't have an answer except maybe ask in C6 General and/or PM Talon90. I think there was a glue fix that came along after the original foam fix that didn't work. There is a lot of experience with the top issue in C6 General so you might find there is hope for yours. I have a vert so no personal experience. Good luck.
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Old Dec 18, 2010 | 11:49 AM
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If the top is separating from the frame (can you slip a credit card or thin feeler gage between the two) there is no repair. It's junk. Try to get your money back.
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Old Dec 18, 2010 | 11:51 AM
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If I remember correctly, the bad tops(polycarbonate) were black and the good tops(SMC) were white. You will have to remove the liner to see the color. If you have the black top, the seller screwed you, as it's not off a 2009.
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Originally Posted by JoesC5
If I remember correctly, the bad tops(polycarbonate) were black and the good tops(SMC) were white. You will have to remove the liner to see the color. If you have the black top, the seller screwed you, as it's not off a 2009.
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Old Dec 18, 2010 | 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by JoesC5
If I remember correctly, the bad tops(polycarbonate) were black and the good tops(SMC) were white. You will have to remove the liner to see the color. If you have the black top, the seller screwed you, as it's not off a 2009.
Actually you can just pull back a corner of the liner a little bit to see if it is black or white. Also, I would check with a dealer/GM to see if they will honor the recall replacement since it is such a safety hazard.

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Old Dec 18, 2010 | 04:37 PM
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Old style vs. new syle latches may be another indicator.
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Old style vs. new syle latches may be another indicator.
The old style had little steel rollers and new style just slides without rollers.
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Originally Posted by JoesC5
If I remember correctly, the bad tops(polycarbonate) were black and the good tops(SMC) were white. You will have to remove the liner to see the color. If you have the black top, the seller screwed you, as it's not off a 2009.
If its polycarbonate, it can't be glued permanently. GM tried that already.
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Thanks to each of you. It sounds like I got poked on the deal.
I guess shame on me since I didn't look at it closely before now.
Lesson learned. I might post a picture tomorrow just to ensure it's as bad as I think it is.

I appreciate your comments!
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The safety recall applied, I assume, only to cars shipped with the defective roof, and not to the roofs themselves.

If the purpose was to hold GM accountable for the safety of motorists who might be struck by flying roof panels, they should replace all the bad roofs that left their factory, regardless of where you got it. I doubt that this is the policy, though.

Were the dealers that performed the original recall work required to send the bad roofs (sans latch hardware, of course) back to the factory for destruction? Probably not.

You might try calling GM and asking nicely.
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Old Dec 19, 2010 | 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by torquetube
Were the dealers that performed the original recall work required to send the bad roofs (sans latch hardware, of course) back to the factory for destruction? Probably not.
I don't think so. Back in 06 when this problem really hit the fan, I remember looking in the dumpster at my local dealer while my car was in for service and saw a discarded top in there.
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Old Dec 19, 2010 | 04:03 PM
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Guys - Many thanks for your advise - I really appreciate it. I posted another thread on the General forum along with pictures. It can be located here.....

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-c...ive-issue.html
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so it looks like you got the older style top? (cuz its black underneath)
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If you can't get your money back from the seller, your first option is to contact your local GM dealer to see if they will replace under the safety recall. My guess is the odds are pretty low, but they may do it just to make sure its out of circulation. You never know until you try.

The next option is to re-glue it. 3M has an amazing array of commercial bonding products and I am sure they have one for this. You have to peel off the roof skin, grind off the original glue, prep the areas to be bonded, then bond the skin back on using the appropriate 3M adhesive. I bet the original problem was the lack of surface proper preparation of the Lexan skin on the part of the manufacturer.

The last option is to toss it out, of course.

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If the seller is a forum member and mis-represented what was sold to you, contact a moderator and supply the information to him. They have no power over the transaction but they might elect to contact the seller. I have no idea but fraud is fraud.
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Originally Posted by Mez
If you can't get your money back from the seller, your first option is to contact your local GM dealer to see if they will replace under the safety recall. My guess is the odds are pretty low, but they may do it just to make sure its out of circulation. You never know until you try.

The next option is to re-glue it. 3M has an amazing array of commercial bonding products and I am sure they have one for this. You have to peel off the roof skin, grind off the original glue, prep the areas to be bonded, then bond the skin back on using the appropriate 3M adhesive. I bet the original problem was the lack of surface proper preparation of the Lexan skin on the part of the manufacturer.

The last option is to toss it out, of course.
I agree - call 3m adhesives or or tape divisions (or a 3M distributor like Hagermeyer) and they will probably send samples. I am not sure if glue or even tape might do it but3M is a company that still believes in R&D and quality products.
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I agree - call 3m adhesives or or tape divisions (or a 3M distributor like Hagermeyer) and they will probably send samples. I am not sure if glue or even tape might do it but3M is a company that still believes in R&D and quality products.
The only reason I don't think is going to work is that if there were a way to re-glue it and have it hold, I think GM would have found it. Rather than replacing the top with a different material as they ended up doing.
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thanks guys! I have a message into the seller now and hope to be able to settle this to each of our satisfaction. I really appreciate y'all's input.
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I think we all would like to hear what the seller has/had to say about this....so please update us when you can.
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