E-Force Supercharger Dry Sump Installation
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It doesn't appear that a ZR1 oil cooler is being utilized. Here's the parts list I have "procured" from a distributor
Part # Qty. Description
22-1575 1 - Hose, Dry Sump to Air Inlet, Passenger Side
22-1576 1 - Hose, Dry Sump to Valve Covers
46-1503 2 - Clamp, Hose, 9/16" Wide, 1-5/16" to 2-1/4"
46-2164 2 - Hose Clamp, Constant Tension, For 5/8" Hose
46-6223 2 - Clamp, Hose, ¾”
51-4103 1 - Fitting, Water, ZR1 Oil Cooler GM# 2586-5738
88-0623BK* 1 - Fitting, -8 AN Swivel to 5/8” Barb, 90°
88-0621 1 Fitting, Adapter, 5/8” Hose to OEM Block Fitting
51-4104 1 - Tee, 1.3125” X 0.625” X 1.3125”, Nylon; GM# 9222-709
46-2161 .33’ - Convolute, 1” ID, Black (4”)
24-15913 1 Cover, Ignition Coils, Corvette, LS7, RH; 808 AL
(44-15907 casting)
24-15918 1 Valley Tray, LS7, (44-15908 casting)
51-7014 1 Fitting, Vent, 10mm, SAE Quick Connect, 90°
36-1518 2 - Bolt. Hex Flange. M8x1.25x30mm. CL 8.8, Zinc plated
36-4048 1 - Bolt, Cap Screw, M16 x 2.0 x 150mm, 40mm
thread,Standard Hex, 8.8
51-4109 1 - Bolt, OEM, Z06, Damper
24-4111 1 - Oil Cooler, Trimmed, LS3 Camaro
Part # Qty. Description
22-1575 1 - Hose, Dry Sump to Air Inlet, Passenger Side
22-1576 1 - Hose, Dry Sump to Valve Covers
46-1503 2 - Clamp, Hose, 9/16" Wide, 1-5/16" to 2-1/4"
46-2164 2 - Hose Clamp, Constant Tension, For 5/8" Hose
46-6223 2 - Clamp, Hose, ¾”
51-4103 1 - Fitting, Water, ZR1 Oil Cooler GM# 2586-5738
88-0623BK* 1 - Fitting, -8 AN Swivel to 5/8” Barb, 90°
88-0621 1 Fitting, Adapter, 5/8” Hose to OEM Block Fitting
51-4104 1 - Tee, 1.3125” X 0.625” X 1.3125”, Nylon; GM# 9222-709
46-2161 .33’ - Convolute, 1” ID, Black (4”)
24-15913 1 Cover, Ignition Coils, Corvette, LS7, RH; 808 AL
(44-15907 casting)
24-15918 1 Valley Tray, LS7, (44-15908 casting)
51-7014 1 Fitting, Vent, 10mm, SAE Quick Connect, 90°
36-1518 2 - Bolt. Hex Flange. M8x1.25x30mm. CL 8.8, Zinc plated
36-4048 1 - Bolt, Cap Screw, M16 x 2.0 x 150mm, 40mm
thread,Standard Hex, 8.8
51-4109 1 - Bolt, OEM, Z06, Damper
24-4111 1 - Oil Cooler, Trimmed, LS3 Camaro
Below is a shot of the Edelbrock heat exchanger with a stock Z06 oil cooler mounted in front of it. As you can see, the Z06 oil cooler blocks the cool airflow to the supercharger heat exchanger...does not work well. Ask me how I know
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I did a quick search and it looks like the 2010+ Camaro uses the same fluid-to-fluid type oil cooler as the ZR1 Corvette. It's the last item in your inventory plus there are other parts spread throughout your inventory to plumb it all up. Below is a photo and a diagram of the Camaro oil cooler. The MSRP on that Camaro cooler is $692.00 (less from our Forum vendors) plus the plumbing. Regardless, you'll be doing away with the air-to-oil cooler which spans the width of your radiator baffle and would block the airflow to the intercooler. Your stock Z06 oil cooler plus the take-off lines are popular upgrades for LS2/LS3 guys and don't last long on the FOR SALE Forum.
Below is a shot of the Edelbrock heat exchanger with a stock Z06 oil cooler mounted in front of it. As you can see, the Z06 oil cooler blocks the cool airflow to the supercharger heat exchanger...does not work well. Ask me how I know
Below is a shot of the Edelbrock heat exchanger with a stock Z06 oil cooler mounted in front of it. As you can see, the Z06 oil cooler blocks the cool airflow to the supercharger heat exchanger...does not work well. Ask me how I know
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That's new territory for me but I would think if that cooler clears stock manifolds it will likely clear headers....not sure though.
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*12605352 Camaro Oil cooler, sticks out to the side.
*12606576 ZR1 Oil cooler, hangs down beside the pan
They are right at the exact same price.
I see what you are saying about selling the air to oil cooler as it's more expensive than this one!
*12606576 ZR1 Oil cooler, hangs down beside the pan
They are right at the exact same price.
I see what you are saying about selling the air to oil cooler as it's more expensive than this one!
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Don't forget you'll need the Dewitts radiator
Last edited by Motorhead-47; Feb 17, 2011 at 09:09 PM.
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If you go this route we'd appreciate it if you could post a photo or two of the oil cooler setup installed.
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My order just went 3000 todayI'm giving up my 500+rwhp 2005 GTO for a new GS, so I've gotta make sure it will be faster from the start
I'm pricing the parts and so far I see no reason to buy the add-on kit if you have a GM parts connection. I'll post part numbers once I get a full list.
GM parts list is as follows:
12606576 Oil cooler Corvette ZR1
15870518 oil cooler hose
19130529 oil cooler hose lower
11570163 balancer bolt
25865738 oil hose fitting
92225709 upper hose T
What's left:
A few parts you will have to get straight from E and a few are general clamps and fittings that can be procured anywhere.
Last edited by ITSGRAND; Feb 17, 2011 at 11:52 PM.
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My order just went 3000 todayI'm giving up my 500+rwhp 2005 GTO for a new GS, so I've gotta make sure it will be faster from the start
I'm pricing the parts and so far I see no reason to buy the add-on kit if you have a GM parts connection. I'll post part numbers once I get a full list.
There are also crankcase vent hose differences in the two kits. I believe the valley pan is also different.
You might consider a Dewitts radiator w/internal oil cooler in lieu of the Camaro cooler. You gain engine cooling with this option.
Crank bolt will be different also...dry sump uses a longer crank bolt.
Probably other small things that I can't remember at the moment.
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Edelbrock passenger side coil cover will ship with a hole for a dip stick if you don't get the dry sump kit....you won't have a dipstick there to fill that hole. Dip stick for the dry sump car is in the oil reservoir.
There are also crankcase vent hose differences in the two kits. I believe the valley pan is also different.
You might consider a Dewitts radiator w/internal oil cooler in lieu of the Camaro cooler. You gain engine cooling with this option.
Crank bolt will be different also...dry sump uses a longer crank bolt.
Probably other small things that I can't remember at the moment.
There are also crankcase vent hose differences in the two kits. I believe the valley pan is also different.
You might consider a Dewitts radiator w/internal oil cooler in lieu of the Camaro cooler. You gain engine cooling with this option.
Crank bolt will be different also...dry sump uses a longer crank bolt.
Probably other small things that I can't remember at the moment.
I don't want the coil covers as they just turn into heat sinks. I'm considering the competition kit since I already have HPTuners anyway.The valley pan I'll have to order separately from E
I'll take a look at that radiator.
Longer crank bolt is not a problem. While the bolt is out, I should pull the balancer and install a 2-piece cover for an easier cam change if I so desire in the future.
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No worries I don't want the coil covers as they just turn into heat sinks. I'm considering the competition kit since I already have HPTuners anyway.
The valley pan I'll have to order separately from E
I'll take a look at that radiator.
Longer crank bolt is not a problem. While the bolt is out, I should pull the balancer and install a 2-piece cover for an easier cam change if I so desire in the future.
I don't want the coil covers as they just turn into heat sinks. I'm considering the competition kit since I already have HPTuners anyway.The valley pan I'll have to order separately from E
I'll take a look at that radiator.
Longer crank bolt is not a problem. While the bolt is out, I should pull the balancer and install a 2-piece cover for an easier cam change if I so desire in the future.
As for the oil cooler...I swapped the Z06 cooler for the smaller Z51 cooler..it's about 1/3 the size and uses the same oil lines and mounting holes. Ideally you'd have 100% of that heat exchanger exposed to cool air for best cooling (radiator or ZR1 sized oil cooler would do this) but I found the Z51 cooler to work well and they can be had for under a hundred bucks.
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The competition kit also leaves you to choose your own injectors, no supercharger pulley, no belt, no fuel pump solution and and no baseline tune. This might be the way to go if you want something outside of the standard kit.
As for the oil cooler...I swapped the Z06 cooler for the smaller Z51 cooler..it's about 1/3 the size and uses the same oil lines and mounting holes. Ideally you'd have 100% of that heat exchanger exposed to cool air for best cooling (radiator or ZR1 sized oil cooler would do this) but I found the Z51 cooler to work well and they can be had for under a hundred bucks.
As for the oil cooler...I swapped the Z06 cooler for the smaller Z51 cooler..it's about 1/3 the size and uses the same oil lines and mounting holes. Ideally you'd have 100% of that heat exchanger exposed to cool air for best cooling (radiator or ZR1 sized oil cooler would do this) but I found the Z51 cooler to work well and they can be had for under a hundred bucks.
So what was the final makeup of your kit?
Edelbrock 1590/1591 kit
Z51 cooler
What did you do about the dry sump PVC lines?
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I'm glad you mentioned the radiator change! I'm looking at going ahead with the ZR1 cooler and a swapped radiator since there will be more heat exposure for the coolant.
So what was the final makeup of your kit?
Edelbrock 1590/1591 kit
Z51 cooler
What did you do about the dry sump PVC lines?
So what was the final makeup of your kit?
Edelbrock 1590/1591 kit
Z51 cooler
What did you do about the dry sump PVC lines?
My car is an MN6, F55, NPP with Kooks 1 7/8 + 3" cat'd mid-pipe, LG G6XE cam kit, 1591 Edelbrock kit with smaller 3.25" pulley (about 8.5psi), larger 65lb FAST injectors, Dewitts radiator, Z51 oil cooler and Z51 PS cooler. I've adapted the Halltech "BeeHive" to the E-Force to keep the car breathing cool air and made a few minor cuts to the radiator baffle to allow air into the plenum created by the BeeHive. I wrench and tune my own. I'm north of 600rwhp. My next mod needs to be traction (widebody + tire/wheel package).
FYI the Edelbrock has been on my car for nearly a full year now....no issues
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I ordered my 2009 in July of 2008...took delivery at the museum in September....long before the release of the Grand Sport. If I had known the GS was coming in the next year I probably would have waited. I don't have a dry sump setup. I did have another guy PM me about his dry sump car and he had used the 1590 kit. I think he ended up just making up lines using regular old rubber tubing to route things. Not as "clean" as the quick connect OEM like fittings that come with the E-Force but it worked for him.
My car is an MN6, F55, NPP with Kooks 1 7/8 + 3" cat'd mid-pipe, LG G6XE cam kit, 1591 Edelbrock kit with smaller 3.25" pulley (about 8.5psi), larger 65lb FAST injectors, Dewitts radiator, Z51 oil cooler and Z51 PS cooler. I've adapted the Halltech "BeeHive" to the E-Force to keep the car breathing cool air and made a few minor cuts to the radiator baffle to allow air into the plenum created by the BeeHive. I wrench and tune my own. I'm north of 600rwhp. My next mod needs to be traction (widebody + tire/wheel package).
FYI the Edelbrock has been on my car for nearly a full year now....no issues
My car is an MN6, F55, NPP with Kooks 1 7/8 + 3" cat'd mid-pipe, LG G6XE cam kit, 1591 Edelbrock kit with smaller 3.25" pulley (about 8.5psi), larger 65lb FAST injectors, Dewitts radiator, Z51 oil cooler and Z51 PS cooler. I've adapted the Halltech "BeeHive" to the E-Force to keep the car breathing cool air and made a few minor cuts to the radiator baffle to allow air into the plenum created by the BeeHive. I wrench and tune my own. I'm north of 600rwhp. My next mod needs to be traction (widebody + tire/wheel package).
FYI the Edelbrock has been on my car for nearly a full year now....no issues
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Hallelujah, a wrencher! Same here, I do all of my own work. I'm trying to leave a stock cam in this one as I hated worrying about springs every 20k miles on the LS2 GTO. I know with just an overdriven blower and headers I should be able to get it above 600rwhp with some tuning.
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