Tune + Calloway CAI + 160 stat
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Drifting
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Ok, notice he said ACTUAL numbers, meaning completely uncorrected. Given his location and the fact it was probably pretty cold outside (40s? i'm not from there so I don't know). 40 degree temps + low humidity the car could make ~420rwhp, but then corrected he'll be back down in the 390's, which is where the car should be.
However, why the **** would the tuner give you corrected stock pull, but then uncorrected after the tune pull? Sound like shady business.
However, why the **** would the tuner give you corrected stock pull, but then uncorrected after the tune pull? Sound like shady business.
Good point about the temp - thanks. It was probably in the low 40s, maybe even high 30s when the runs were done.
Don't think the tuner is shady though. More likely, i did not give all info @ 1st. Let me correct that. Actual #s before: 352hp/359tq. No corrected #s before. Actual #s after: 420hp/422tq. Corrected #s after: 412hp, did not get corrected TQ #. I assume the corrected # is a calculation based on a formula so TQ result will likely be similar to the HP result.
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Drifting
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I think one issue here is you 1st dynoed after installing mods. The intake possibly reduced your HP/TQ and the tuned got it back, and then some. Even still there is something funny going on. 420/421 is better than my LS3 MN6 did WITH LG long tubes and X-pipe. My numbers are 419/414 but that is SAE corrected (the numbers are higher in Standard mode)
"I think one issue here is you 1st dynoed after installing mods. The intake possibly reduced your HP/TQ and the tuned got it back, and then some." - Agreed. I asked him about this. Wasn't thrilled with answer but I am very confident he is above board. He's a friend of a friend and not concerned about him being less than straight.
"Even still there is something funny going on. 420/421 is better than my LS3 MN6 did WITH LG long tubes and X-pipe. My numbers are 419/414 but that is SAE corrected (the numbers are higher in Standard mode)". Agreed again. I researched results before my tune to get an idea of where mine would come out. Best case, I thought 20hp lower. Maybe I can find the exact temp @ the date and time.
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If you're not going to be helpful, why bother at all?
This is not the forum for teenagers with nothing better to do. This is the Corvette Forum where like-minded enthusiasts come to share knowledge/gain experience. If you need to do otherwise, stick to twitter.
As for the "numbers are in", I am simply stating what the results that were given to me were. Nothing more, nothing less. Reading anything else into it makes me think you must be a regular on the Subaru Impreza forum. Do us a favor, go back. Leave CF to the adults.
This is not the forum for teenagers with nothing better to do. This is the Corvette Forum where like-minded enthusiasts come to share knowledge/gain experience. If you need to do otherwise, stick to twitter.
As for the "numbers are in", I am simply stating what the results that were given to me were. Nothing more, nothing less. Reading anything else into it makes me think you must be a regular on the Subaru Impreza forum. Do us a favor, go back. Leave CF to the adults.
You posted on a public forum expecting feedback, and I laughed...it was my feedback for posting completely useless information and saying you gained 70rwhp from tuning and then saying you heard 50rwhp was possible. If you want to gain knowledge read the forum a bit and search and you'll understand that what you're posting is not possible nor is the information you're posting useful.
Post corrected before/after dyno numbers so we can actually give you some input on what you have done.
Right now you are showing uncorreted before #'s and uncorrected after numbers which mean nothing. Corrected #s could've been 20rwhp higher before and 20rwhp lower after.
I'm not sure why your'e so caught up with throwing very silly insults around like being 12, being part of the subaru imprezza forum (wtf does that even mean?) or being a member of twitter. None of the latter is true.
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numbers definately sound off. or someone stood in front of the car with a bottle that weighed 25lbs before the run and < 25lbs after the run.
ET and Trap Speed if you have before mod/tune quarter mile stats will tell the tell as 60hp gains should produce a decent MPH shift.
ET and Trap Speed if you have before mod/tune quarter mile stats will tell the tell as 60hp gains should produce a decent MPH shift.
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I don't think we will be getting any 1/4 mile et/mph times anytime soon from TKOGTO. I did notice my post had fallen on "deaf eyes" about "real world" results. That would as pointed out give a true indication of real performance gains. Just the after 1/4 mile results would too. 
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I don't think we will be getting any 1/4 mile et/mph times anytime soon from TKOGTO. I did notice my post had fallen on "deaf eyes" about "real world" results. That would as pointed out give a true indication of real performance gains. Just the after 1/4 mile results would too.
Come on dude, a little slack. You asked for 1/4 miles times on 4/2. It's only the 5th and I didn't pick the car up until Sat afternoon. Not fallen on deaf eyes.
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I don't think we will be getting any 1/4 mile et/mph times anytime soon from TKOGTO. I did notice my post had fallen on "deaf eyes" about "real world" results. That would as pointed out give a true indication of real performance gains. Just the after 1/4 mile results would too.
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PS: I ask lots of thupid questions all the time, that's how I learn things and it has been said that there are no thupid questions! (if you don't know the answer).
Edit: After some checking of my own the engine coolant temp may have to get to 212 degrees before the computer starts to pull timing i.e. -1 to -3 degrees. Would someone who knows for sure weigh in please.
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A 160 Tstat will help keep the engine temp below 200 degrees. Around 200 degrees the computer starts to pull timing which will lower your hp from what I have read.
PS: I ask lots of thupid questions all the time, that's how I learn things and it has been said that there are no thupid questions! (if you don't know the answer).
Edit: After some checking of my own the engine coolant temp may have to get to 212 degrees before the computer starts to pull timing. Would someone who knows for sure weigh in please.
PS: I ask lots of thupid questions all the time, that's how I learn things and it has been said that there are no thupid questions! (if you don't know the answer).
Edit: After some checking of my own the engine coolant temp may have to get to 212 degrees before the computer starts to pull timing. Would someone who knows for sure weigh in please.
Thanks! I wasn't really sure the purpose. I've seen them for sale and seen everyone buying the but was unsure as to why.
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YEARS Of TRACK OBSERVATIONS
Pulling timing will "usually" (not always) reduce horse power "BUT" what I have "also" found on older cars that do not reduce timing as the coolant temperatures go up is that when the temperature exceeds the 180/190 degree area the car's performance will also start falling off,So you have two reasons to want to keep the coolant temps below 200 degrees in my book!!! also less temp, less likely to detonate.
PS: Chuck Cow will want to read "this" post because he has gone round & round on this subject and I think I have finally and "completely" nailed it for him. Chuck just PM me for that "free" tune I know your just waiting to give me.
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What's that you said????
Pulling timing will "usually" (not always) reduce horse power "BUT" what I have "also" found on older cars that do not reduce timing as the coolant temperatures go up is that when the temperature exceeds the 180/190 degree area the car's performance will also start falling off,So you have two reasons to want to keep the coolant temps below 200 degrees in my book!!! also less temp, less likely to detonate.
PS: Chuck Cow will want to read "this" post because he has gone round & round on this subject and I think I have finally and "completely" nailed it for him. Chuck just PM me for that "free" tune I know your just waiting to give me.
What's that you said???
Oh my god! It's late and I'm tired.
Does someone else wanna argue this one for me?
YES, coolant temp and ambient temp play a BIG role in your #s... Ask me how I know...
Call me ANY TIME!
Chuck CoW
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Either your tuner got your dyno sheets mixed up with someone who got a cam or intake installed, or he is outright lying to you and fabricating dyno's in order to win future business from you.
Sorry but those numbers are just a fantasy, your car is not making that much power.
Sorry but those numbers are just a fantasy, your car is not making that much power.
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Drifting
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I've been told that @ the wheels in an A6, I should see ~20% reduction in HP vs the OEM stated #s @ the crank. 20% off 436hp = ~349 and mine came in at 352hp.
Is 20% loss @ the wheels too much in an auto?