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Old May 9, 2011 | 04:54 PM
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How many miles would be reasonable between differential lube change? Would it need to be changed as often as 10-15K miles? Is there a "special" GM synthetic lube?
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Old May 9, 2011 | 05:04 PM
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My 2006 owner's manual doesn't mention ever changing it. Here's what it says to use if the fluid level gets a little low.

SAE 75W-90 Synthetic Axle Lubricant
(GM Part No. U.S. 12378261,
in Canada 10953455) meeting
GM Specification 9986115. With a
complete drain and refill add
4 ounces (118 ml) of Limited-Slip
Axle Lubricant Additive
(GM Part No. U.S. 1052358,
in Canada 992694) where required.
See Rear Axle on page 5-51.
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Old May 9, 2011 | 05:04 PM
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Normally I break parts before the lubricants need to be changed. I would think that at least 20,000 miles before changing would be fine though.
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Old May 9, 2011 | 05:27 PM
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typically diff fluid isnt changed till atleast 50k miles. yes there is a limited slip additive needed(if not included in fluid you purchase)
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Old May 9, 2011 | 05:33 PM
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DTE recommends every year with their rebuilt Diffs.

Maybe to often with a stock unit nevertheless that is what I do with my 4:10's.
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Old May 9, 2011 | 08:18 PM
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I do mine every 30K miles with AMSOIL Severe Gear.
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Old May 9, 2011 | 08:40 PM
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There is indeed a special GM diff lube, it now contains the LS additives.
Can't recall the part number, but it's standard on 2009 & later, said to be good for any GM posi setup from any year.

I changed mine at 5k and plan to change again at 50k, but that's probably serious overkill.
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Old May 9, 2011 | 09:43 PM
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I'll go w/ above.
Change initially at 5K then every 50K.

That would be fantastic maintenance.

Yes there is a "special" GM oil. I think it is nearly $30 a bottle and you need a bottle and half when changing.
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Normally I break parts before the lubricants need to be changed. I would think that at least 20,000 miles before changing would be fine though.
Haha, ain't that the truth. Rule of thumb is 30k, but it really dependent on hard you drive the car. IE High heat from high rpms while road racing the car and that interval needs to be shortened considerably.
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Haha, ain't that the truth. Rule of thumb is 30k, but it really dependent on hard you drive the car. IE High heat from high rpms while road racing the car and that interval needs to be shortened considerably.
Where would I find this rule of thumb and how and when were they created, or is this tribal knowledge without scientific analysis? The manuals (owner's and shop) don't address changing the fluid ever unless there is damage or leaks.

I also don't understand how road racing (closed loop, not SSCC) would create more heat in a limited time at lower average speeds than longer duration driving at higher speeds on mountain roads or IS highways. Differential RPM is directly related to road speed, not engine RPM.

I'm not trying to be a smart-***, but I've never changed rear axle fluid on any car as a maintenance procedure and I've had cars with 230K miles without an issue.
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Every 30k really??? I had a 03 Duramax with a Banks kit making 800+ ft/lbs and the rear lasted 150k. I used it to tow our 33 foot boat and our 2 John Deers that weigh 10k+ a peice probably 30k miles. I couldn't even find info in the manual so I'm not going to mess with mine. If it goes it goes. I think Corvettes get "over serviced" all the time.

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Originally Posted by HOXXOH
Where would I find this rule of thumb and how and when were they created, or is this tribal knowledge without scientific analysis? The manuals (owner's and shop) don't address changing the fluid ever unless there is damage or leaks.

I also don't understand how road racing (closed loop, not SSCC) would create more heat in a limited time at lower average speeds than longer duration driving at higher speeds on mountain roads or IS highways. Differential RPM is directly related to road speed, not engine RPM.

I'm not trying to be a smart-***, but I've never changed rear axle fluid on any car as a maintenance procedure and I've had cars with 230K miles without an issue.
One of the problems will be viscosity loss due to shear stresses, particularly in track day cars. See page 6 of this study:
AMSOIL Gear Lube “White Paper” (2 MB pdf file)

I submitted my CTS-V factory fill diff fuid to Blackstone at only 10k miles and they weren't very impressed with the wear and recommended changing (which I had already done):
2006 Cadillac CTS-V Used Oil Analysis Factory Fill Differential Fluid

Personally, for a street car, I use the 30k thumbrule as well, though at the track I do it about once a season. For the AMSOIL Severe Gear Extreme Pressure Synthetic 75w90 (Product Code SVGQT), AMSOIL recommends 50k in severe service, which I would argue the Vette is.
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I just hit 30k recently and used Royal Purple with the additive from GM, from what I heard it was every 30k?
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Old May 10, 2011 | 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by gunterwalker
Every 30k really??? I had a 03 Duramax with a Banks kit making 800+ ft/lbs and the rear lasted 150k. I used it to tow our 33 foot boat and our 2 John Deers that weigh 10k+ a peice probably 30k miles. I couldn't even find info in the manual so I'm not going to mess with mine. If it goes it goes. I think Corvettes get "over serviced" all the time.



I gotta agree with you on that!

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Originally Posted by Subdriver
..........Personally, for a street car, I use the 30k thumbrule as well, though at the track I do it about once a season. For the AMSOIL Severe Gear Extreme Pressure Synthetic 75w90 (Product Code SVGQT), AMSOIL recommends 50k in severe service, which I would argue the Vette is.
I think 30k is a reasonable change interval unless the diff is already experiencing clutch chatter and in no case would I let it go beyond 50k.
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Originally Posted by gunterwalker
Every 30k really??? I had a 03 Duramax with a Banks kit making 800+ ft/lbs and the rear lasted 150k. I used it to tow our 33 foot boat and our 2 John Deers that weigh 10k+ a peice probably 30k miles. I couldn't even find info in the manual so I'm not going to mess with mine. If it goes it goes. I think Corvettes get "over serviced" all the time.
How many quarts of fluid are in that rearend? (I beleive it's the same 14-bolt under my TBSS) and I'm sure you haven't made blasts to 190mph in it either or pulled 1.4g on a road coarse on R compounds lapping the front straight at TWS at 150mph in Texas heat. I've personally lost a rearend bearing from not changing the fluid enough, so just wanted to share my experience. It's all vehicle/condition dependent of course, if you're only cruising in your vette then I bet you could make it 100k miles no problem. Some drive harder than others
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can the mobil 1 75w-90 LS series synthetic gear lube be used for the rear differential fluid change.

my local autozone has it.
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can the mobil 1 75w-90 LS series synthetic gear lube be used for the rear differential fluid change.

my local autozone has it.
Others have reported using it over the past several years with good success.
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The reason DTE recommends yearly oil changes is due to the increase of clutch pack material in the oil. This is with the clutch pack upgrade.

The disc are made up of a softer material for better bite, hence more wear fallout.
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Originally Posted by HOXXOH
I also don't understand how road racing (closed loop, not SSCC) would create more heat in a limited time at lower average speeds than longer duration driving at higher speeds on mountain roads or IS highways. Differential RPM is directly related to road speed, not engine RPM.
There are several reasons racing creates more heat than highway cruising, here are two: Constant side load on the dif causes more friction. Constant turning (some with very tight radiuses) means your wheels are almost always spinning at different speeds, meaning your clutches are working hard to keep a wheel from slipping. This also creates shear loads on the fluid, causing heat.

That said, I change mine about once every two seasons. I have no idea how many miles. I'm with you, we definately tend to "over service" our cars around here. But part of that is the fun with working on (under?) them. At least for me
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