This is exactly why I've been taking this topic to PMs. I'm not trying to stir the pot, but at the same time I feel obligated to share what I feel are real-world inputs to would-be customers.

San

 

..... Really! Pfadt actually races these cars. I'd say his experiences are worth more than that.

On the other hand I do recall someone saying they saw Aaron pull off before pit lane so he could back out the caliper bolts with an allen wrench.

 

You really got to pay attention. The OP stated no track!We're not talking about professional racing teams like LG and PFADT. We all know there are better products out there for that. Reread the OP.

seems some have issues with expensive BBK kits as well.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/auto...ing-issue.html

 

That was my mistake for thinking you had stock-ish power. At 280whp, I would say the AP brakes are the perfect setup for the exige .

 

For what it's worth, I appreciate hearing both sides. I'm glad it didn't go to PM so I could learn something and get as much info as possible.

 

PM me and I'll give you my number.

BTW, FAWKING cool picture of the 211! I tell everyone not to test drive a Lotus unless they want to buy one. It really changes your perspective.

San

 

Car and Driver's Corvette Comparison Z51 vs Z06 vs ZR1. (Probably the best comparison since it was conducted on the same day? minimizing environmental variables)

http://www.caranddriver.com/features...51_z06-feature

I'd be willing to bet the better braking of the Z06 was due to weight and tire selection / width, rather than better brakes; however that doesnt factor in brake fade.

 

Tires will always be a key factor as to how good brakes perform. Weight is obviously a factor as well.

San

 

Nurburgring times on stock Z06 brakes is by the SKILL OF THE DRIVER.

 

Are not times the function of good driving and a good automobile? If the car had brakes that would go to mush after 2 miles I dont think the best driver in the world would be able to put up great #'s the Z06 runs. To attribute a track time only to 'skill' isnt telling the whole story.

 

More driver then car. Hans Stuck ( sp?) can run a VW in the rain faster on N-ring then most ppl can or professional drivers could dream about. Ever see the you tube video of the VW bus passing the super sports cars on N-ring ?

have seen a highly skilled driver in a spec miata beat a unskilled driver in a C6Z06 on a tight twisty road course.

The C6Z and GS brakes are good brakes. Just need a stock pill of rotors and brake pads ( or padlets)

going to a two piece rotor and a one peace pad for the C6Z / GS calipers would be a very good option

 

Bottom line, every car on this list is driven by a professional driver getting the fastest times for his ride. No Joe Shmo's in a VW bus. Serious cars on a seriously fast, dangerous track. The type of track thats a widow maker for cars with bad brakes and or other weaknesses. It goes w/o saying that the driver is an important part of these times but to dismiss the capabilities of the car and just mentioning 'skill' is not the full story. All of these drivers poccess more skill than you or I will ever approach. So skill in this case, is pretty much on an even playing field and therefore, not relevant in talking Ring times.
http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/nordschleife.html

 

Hmm not quite. It is the SKILLED driver that separates 10s of a second. Driver SKILL is never equal.

Look at Formula 1 qualifying. it is 10s and even 100s of a sec difference.

 

OK then, we've gone as far as we can in this discussion.

 

I have been very happy with my Baer Extreme mono block system. 6 piston calipers, easiest pad change ever and the billet monoblock wont fade ... two piece calipers can fade where the monoblock one piece will not

 

... That's a great post/comeback. Props to you.

So, regarding the OP and his "no track time" maybe you should pay a bit more attention. Look back at my suggestion and you will see what I recommended based off that driving style. My reference to Pfadt was purely directed to your comment about Pfadts experience, nothing else.

Regarding my Wilwood "issue" from the post you found..... Well it all boiled down to the wrong pads for my driving style. The kit I bought came with BP-10 pads which were great for street driving but crap for high-speed and consecutive hard stops from track like speeds. I learned a lot about pad compounds during that time and have since moved to a much hotter pad and have zero issues with my Wilwood kit. Thank goodness I might add.

 

For the record, I was talking about LG in that post not PFADT.

Glad you worked out the issue with your system, I actually followed the trials and tribulations you had.

 

I really don't want to burst your bubble, but the calipers don't fade, the pads do. A two piece caliper vs a monobloc has nothing to do with the pads fading. The only advantage is going to be in extreme conditions where heat can cause a normal caliper to flex, the monobloc won't flex.

Fade resistance is all in the pad you're using and the cooling you have at your disposal (brake ducts, rotor vein design, etc). I can tell you right now that if you put good race pads on any stock braking system they aren't going to "fade." The rotors might get hot spotted or warped, the calipers might completely fall apart, and the fluid will probably boil, but they aren't going to fade .

That said, I'm sure the Baer brakes are great, and I'm glad you like them. My post isn't meant to discredit your brakes in anyway. They look like a really nice kit, but I'm not looking to spend $3700 on a BBK for a street car right now.

 

As for everyone else, thank you (to some of you) for your contributions to this thread. I'm sorry to see it went kind of off-topic, but let's try to get it back on track.

I'm thinking the best setup for my needs may end up being:

Z06 calipers
2-piece rotors
1-piece pads

I think the stock system may "work" and a BBK would be overkill, so that seems like the happy medium. We'll see.

 

Oh, I assumed you were referring to Pfadt since that was the post # oldmansan directed you too. Nuff said, case closed.