C6 Tech/Performance LS2, LS3, LS7, LS9 Corvette Technical Info, Internal Engine, External Engine, Tech Topics, Basic Tech, Maintenance, How to Remove & Replace
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Katech independently test BER ported LS3 intake

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 08-12-2011, 10:19 AM
  #1  
Katech_Zach
Premium Supporting Vendor
Thread Starter
 
Katech_Zach's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2005
Location: Clinton Township MI
Posts: 13,988
Received 966 Likes on 528 Posts
C7 of Year Finalist (track prepared) 2019

Default Katech independently test BER ported LS3 intake

A while back we posted some test results from a couple of ported LS3 intake manifolds and the FAST LSXR 102mm LS3 intake. (http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-t...manifolds.html) The ported intakes made 0hp. After a bit of controversy, I offered free ported intake manifold testing to any company that wanted to step up. Bare Essentials Racing was the only company that submitted a manifold. Yesterday we conducted the A-B test and found that the intake picked up 7hp and 5 ft-lbs.

Baseline C2-9434 519hp/465tq
BER ported intake C2-9437 526hp/470tq

__________________

Contact:
(e) zach@katechengines.com
The following users liked this post:
Cam323 (09-10-2019)
Old 08-12-2011, 10:22 AM
  #2  
turbotuner20v
Safety Car
 
turbotuner20v's Avatar
 
Member Since: Dec 2009
Posts: 4,639
Received 212 Likes on 118 Posts

Default

Glad this went through and the results got posted.

The FAST LSXR 102mm made 8hp/7ft-lbs it looks like based on your previous thread, so the BER intake making 7hp/5ft-lbs is very close if not equal given different days/conditions.
Old 08-12-2011, 11:27 AM
  #3  
0Cajun @ Edgyvette
Former Vendor
 
Cajun @ Edgyvette's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2003
Location: Tampa FL
Posts: 18,673
Received 393 Likes on 286 Posts
St. Jude Donor '07-'08-'09-'10-'11-'12'-'13-'14-'15

Default

Jason,

We really appreciate you testing our manifold and reporting independent test results. We think our work is well thought out and we try to do what works rather than what sounds and looks good in pics and on paper. Have a great weekend

Cajun@BER
Old 08-12-2011, 11:35 AM
  #4  
FloydSummerOf68
Race Director
 
FloydSummerOf68's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2007
Location: Missouri City Texas
Posts: 11,331
Likes: 0
Received 14 Likes on 14 Posts

Default

So basically, save your money on the FAST and pick up the BER ported LS3.
Old 08-12-2011, 11:38 AM
  #5  
sevinn
Safety Car
Support Corvetteforum!
 
sevinn's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 2009
Location: Baton Rouge LA
Posts: 3,755
Received 189 Likes on 175 Posts
St. Jude Donor '14, '16

Default

Originally Posted by FloydSummerOf68
So basically, save your money on the FAST and pick up the BER ported LS3.
Old 08-12-2011, 11:43 AM
  #6  
FloydSummerOf68
Race Director
 
FloydSummerOf68's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2007
Location: Missouri City Texas
Posts: 11,331
Likes: 0
Received 14 Likes on 14 Posts

Default

And even then it should probably be saved as one of the last mods. It's not a very good $ to hp ratio...especially considering these are crank numbers on a decently modded motor.
Old 08-12-2011, 12:21 PM
  #7  
BornSUPERCHARGED
Melting Slicks
Support Corvetteforum!
 
BornSUPERCHARGED's Avatar
 
Member Since: Dec 2008
Posts: 2,296
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by FloydSummerOf68
And even then it should probably be saved as one of the last mods. It's not a very good $ to hp ratio...especially considering these are crank numbers on a decently modded motor.
8rwhp for $800+
Old 08-12-2011, 12:25 PM
  #8  
0Cajun @ Edgyvette
Former Vendor
 
Cajun @ Edgyvette's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2003
Location: Tampa FL
Posts: 18,673
Received 393 Likes on 286 Posts
St. Jude Donor '07-'08-'09-'10-'11-'12'-'13-'14-'15

Default

Originally Posted by BornSUPERCHARGED
8rwhp for $800+
How about 7hp for $200 when you return your unported core? $200/7= $28.5/HP

Supercharger $6000/ 120hp= $50/HP

https://sites.google.com/site/barees...take-manifolds
Old 08-12-2011, 12:25 PM
  #9  
BornSUPERCHARGED
Melting Slicks
Support Corvetteforum!
 
BornSUPERCHARGED's Avatar
 
Member Since: Dec 2008
Posts: 2,296
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by ccajun4real
How about 7hp for $200? $200/7= $28.5/HP

Supercharger $6000/ 120hp= $50/HP

https://sites.google.com/site/barees...take-manifolds
With a supercharger you can specify your pulley size. Pulley down for 12psi and you'll gain 225hp, which is $26/hp

Was referring to the FAST being $800+

Last edited by BornSUPERCHARGED; 08-12-2011 at 12:27 PM.
Old 08-12-2011, 12:58 PM
  #10  
Gering
Tolero Apto Victum
Support Corvetteforum!
 
Gering's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 2007
Location: Woodlands TX
Posts: 9,669
Received 37 Likes on 34 Posts

Default

Thanks for the info.
Old 08-12-2011, 01:03 PM
  #11  
LS1LT1
Team Owner
 
LS1LT1's Avatar
 
Member Since: Feb 2001
Location: Short Hills, NJ
Posts: 27,067
Received 21 Likes on 21 Posts

Default

Good info, thanks.
Old 08-12-2011, 01:13 PM
  #12  
Stage7
Burning Brakes
 
Stage7's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2000
Location: NJ
Posts: 1,073
Received 5 Likes on 3 Posts

Default

Good of you to take the time to test this and post the results. (also good of BER to step up and submit for the test knowing the results would be posted good or bad.)
Old 08-12-2011, 01:28 PM
  #13  
AirBusPilot
Le Mans Master
 
AirBusPilot's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2008
Location: Austin TX
Posts: 5,582
Received 59 Likes on 47 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by ccajun4real
Jason,

We really appreciate you testing our manifold and reporting independent test results. We think our work is well thought out and we try to do what works rather than what sounds and looks good in pics and on paper. Have a great weekend

Cajun@BER
Does this ported intake have the internal bracing posts removed?
Old 08-12-2011, 01:33 PM
  #14  
fred_S
Pro
 
fred_S's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 2008
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 730
Received 3 Likes on 2 Posts

Default

I bought an LS2 ported intake from BER, Cajun was a real pleasure doing business with. He didn't charge me an insane amount for shipping like some vendors do, emails with questions were answered within minutes.

Go BER

Fred
Old 08-12-2011, 01:46 PM
  #15  
RichieRichZ06
Supporting Vendor
Support Corvetteforum!
 
RichieRichZ06's Avatar
 
Member Since: Nov 2005
Location: Supporting the Corvette Community at Abel Chevrolet in Rio Vista, CA 707-374-6317 Ext.123
Posts: 14,498
Received 1,425 Likes on 597 Posts
St. Jude Donor '08

Default

Nice to see a company step up and take Jason up on his offer. It's a crying shame that nobody else took him up on that. I thinks it says a lot for what companies "actually" think of their own products if they're afraid of what the results will show.
Old 08-12-2011, 02:00 PM
  #16  
FloydSummerOf68
Race Director
 
FloydSummerOf68's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2007
Location: Missouri City Texas
Posts: 11,331
Likes: 0
Received 14 Likes on 14 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by RichieRichZ06
Nice to see a company step up and take Jason up on his offer. It's a crying shame that nobody else took him up on that. I thinks it says a lot for what companies "actually" think of their own products if they're afraid of what the results will show.
Old 08-12-2011, 02:09 PM
  #17  
JayplaySS2
Melting Slicks
 
JayplaySS2's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 2007
Posts: 2,052
Likes: 0
Received 14 Likes on 12 Posts

Default

Good job Cajun

Get notified of new replies

To Katech independently test BER ported LS3 intake

Old 08-12-2011, 04:10 PM
  #18  
Halltech
Supporting Vendor
 
Halltech's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2002
Location: Bristol, Tennessee
Posts: 12,988
Received 583 Likes on 313 Posts
St. Jude Donor '09

Default

Originally Posted by Katech_Jason
A while back we posted some test results from a couple of ported LS3 intake manifolds and the FAST LSXR 102mm LS3 intake. (http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-t...manifolds.html) The ported intakes made 0hp. After a bit of controversy, I offered free ported intake manifold testing to any company that wanted to step up. Bare Essentials Racing was the only company that submitted a manifold. Yesterday we conducted the A-B test and found that the intake picked up 7hp and 5 ft-lbs.

Baseline C2-9434 519hp/465tq
BER ported intake C2-9437 526hp/470tq

Jason, is that through the stock LS3 airbox or the Halltech Super Bee MF103?

Finally, some nice results! Congrats BER Katech dynos are like gold. You can take their dynos to the bank.

Jim Hall
__________________

"World Class Performance for your Corvette"
Intake Design and Engineering since 1999
Halltech Systems, LLC
262-510-7600

For service email:
orders@halltechsystems.com

www.halltechsystems.com

















Old 08-12-2011, 04:15 PM
  #19  
Katech_Zach
Premium Supporting Vendor
Thread Starter
 
Katech_Zach's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2005
Location: Clinton Township MI
Posts: 13,988
Received 966 Likes on 528 Posts
C7 of Year Finalist (track prepared) 2019

Default

Originally Posted by halltech
jason, is that through the stock ls3 airbox or the halltech super bee mf103?

Finally, some nice results! Congrats ber Katech dynos are like gold. You can take their dynos to the bank.

Jim hall
mf103
Old 08-12-2011, 05:10 PM
  #20  
Halltech
Supporting Vendor
 
Halltech's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2002
Location: Bristol, Tennessee
Posts: 12,988
Received 583 Likes on 313 Posts
St. Jude Donor '09

Default

Jason, did you notice anything about this porting job that distinguished itself from the other intake porting you have seen?

7 HP seems amazing for port matching only.

How does the intake manifold get port matched to the heads unless they are done with the bottom installed for alignment intake to head?

Jim


Quick Reply: Katech independently test BER ported LS3 intake



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:38 PM.