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Old Nov 29, 2011 | 09:32 AM
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Ok, I'm new to the GM crowd. My wife and I Bought a white 2007 A6. We are planning on some mods, we started with the rear wide body and black ZR1's. We are not wanting to create an unbarible animal and she loves the sound of a good cam, so its important I do all my homework and spend our money wisely.

Now, I've spent hours here pouring over threads and I've spoke to several vendors the last being Chuck Cow. He sorta had me convinced on starting out with his tune, gears, headers and convertor. Being an x @ord guy exhaust and gears usually is the first choice in mods.

I did read the thread last night basically flaming the gear idea, now I'm really confused. When I first started planning I thought my route should be headers/exhaust, cam, intake, cai. My buddies say do a blower. I have limited funds and want to make sure I don't make any mistakes. I want the car to be faster not just the perception or just the sotp that seems like a waste of money. We spend $ to go faster right?? Thanks, Jeff
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Old Nov 29, 2011 | 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by articwhitec6
Ok, I'm new to the GM crowd. My wife and I Bought a white 2007 A6. We are planning on some mods, we started with the rear wide body and black ZR1's. We are not wanting to create an unbarible animal and she loves the sound of a good cam, so its important I do all my homework and spend our money wisely.

Now, I've spent hours here pouring over threads and I've spoke to several vendors the last being Chuck Cow. He sorta had me convinced on starting out with his tune, gears, headers and convertor. Being an x @ord guy exhaust and gears usually is the first choice in mods.

I did read the thread last night basically flaming the gear idea, now I'm really confused. When I first started planning I thought my route should be headers/exhaust, cam, intake, cai. My buddies say do a blower. I have limited funds and want to make sure I don't make any mistakes. I want the car to be faster not just the perception or just the sotp that seems like a waste of money. We spend $ to go faster right?? Thanks, Jeff
Just because the popular opinion says "X"... Dosen't mean it's the RIGHT thing to do.

While this forum has it's good points, Some of the "TECH" you'll get here is not worth Crap.

You will be extremely happy with that I've proposed and more importantly,

you're NOT taking advice from random forum members and what I've

suggested to you specifically addresses the concerns you had when we spoke.

This will fit you like a glove.
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Old Nov 29, 2011 | 11:40 AM
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It has been proven time and time again that gears are worth very little in the 1/4 mile and are grossly expensive. I do concede that gears true benefit don't show in the 1/4 mile though and the car WILL be faster with a lower gear ratio (numerically higher).

Everything else is a great idea....headers, tuning, converter and FAST manifold are the mods you should focus on if you don't want to drop 6-7k for a blower/tune/install. However, if you spend money on expensive headers like American Racing or LG then you're looking at close to 5k just for the boltons/tuning/install and you could have 100rwhp higher with the blower.

I'm just not really that convinced that 2 grand for gears is a great bang for the buck mod on these cars.

In retrospect I wish I had gone FI earlier.
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Old Nov 29, 2011 | 11:41 AM
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A blower is a great way to go for a street car that both you and your wife can enjoy. I am a fan of gears but a blower really is one of the best power to $$ mods you can do. Near stock like drivability when not in boost and massive power on demand. ECS/A&A has some amazing street cars out there with nothing more than a blower setup and headers (tune too of course). Once you get used to that, a converter is turning these cars into insane street machines. If even thinking about going forced induction, a call to ECS/A&A will set you up with all the info you need. There are other good F/I tuners out there, but these two seem to be on the top of the list with many proven set ups.

I went N/A and love my set up. However, for about the same money (probably cheaper since I went in stages) I could have had more power with a blower. If you have specific race goals for your car please provide them so you can get more accurate information. But if you just want a powerful street car both you and your wife can enjoy daily, like I said, it's hard to beat a properly built S/C set up.
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Old Nov 29, 2011 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by articwhitec6
Ok, I'm new to the GM crowd. My wife and I Bought a white 2007 A6. We are planning on some mods, we started with the rear wide body and black ZR1's. We are not wanting to create an unbarible animal and she loves the sound of a good cam, so its important I do all my homework and spend our money wisely.

Now, I've spent hours here pouring over threads and I've spoke to several vendors the last being Chuck Cow. He sorta had me convinced on starting out with his tune, gears, headers and convertor. Being an x @ord guy exhaust and gears usually is the first choice in mods.

I did read the thread last night basically flaming the gear idea, now I'm really confused. When I first started planning I thought my route should be headers/exhaust, cam, intake, cai. My buddies say do a blower. I have limited funds and want to make sure I don't make any mistakes. I want the car to be faster not just the perception or just the sotp that seems like a waste of money. We spend $ to go faster right?? Thanks, Jeff


Feel free to give us a call Jeff if you would like to discuss this in length. You need to give yourself a specific goal if possable so you do not waste time & $$ along the way. Also be sure to get many opinions from reputable shops, sometimes the strongest opinion is not always the best route.
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Old Nov 29, 2011 | 08:04 PM
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Just planning on a fast streetcar. maybe a track day here or there but mainly just cruising. I just want our carf to be unique!
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Old Nov 29, 2011 | 08:44 PM
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Get blown. The car WILL be fast, yet drive like stock. Pick a reasonable rwhp you would like(say 475-500) and stick with it.
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Old Nov 29, 2011 | 09:05 PM
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Put down the mouse, pick up the check book and let Chuck CoW save you wasted money and get you what you want.
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Put down the mouse, pick up the check book and let Chuck CoW save you wasted money and get you what you want.
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Old Nov 29, 2011 | 10:35 PM
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I'm sure there is a local corvette club you can contact. Surely someone has the setup you are leaning towards. Most club members are more than willing to take you for a spin. It's your money, so you need to feel comfortable with your decision. I personally am one of those people who always want more, so I would go the FI route. Good luck with your decision.
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Old Nov 30, 2011 | 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by articwhitec6
Just planning on a fast streetcar. maybe a track day here or there but mainly just cruising. I just want our carf to be unique!
"A track day or two" - Just be sure if you go FI your cooling system can handle the increased temps. From what I have read ON THIS FORUM I seem to remember people having lack of cooling issues when pushing an FI car around a track, I would assume this is normal unless you upgrade the Radiator etc. to keep up with the large increase in heat generation. Good luck and do your homework!
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Old Nov 30, 2011 | 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by joejoe440
Put down the mouse, pick up the check book and let Chuck CoW save you wasted money and get you what you want.
From my time spent on this forum I agree. Although I'm sure "Chuck Cow" gets the majority of sales based on his name, from my 27 years of life experience that is the point.... If you make a good name for yourself and the work you do then you will prosper. I will go to him if I ever get into "modding". - Just not my thing at the time being.
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Old Dec 1, 2011 | 01:35 AM
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Originally Posted by articwhitec6
Ok, I'm new to the GM crowd. My wife and I Bought a white 2007 A6. We are planning on some mods, we started with the rear wide body and black ZR1's. We are not wanting to create an unbarible animal and she loves the sound of a good cam, so its important I do all my homework and spend our money wisely.

Now, I've spent hours here pouring over threads and I've spoke to several vendors the last being Chuck Cow. He sorta had me convinced on starting out with his tune, gears, headers and convertor. Being an x @ord guy exhaust and gears usually is the first choice in mods.

I did read the thread last night basically flaming the gear idea, now I'm really confused. When I first started planning I thought my route should be headers/exhaust, cam, intake, cai. My buddies say do a blower. I have limited funds and want to make sure I don't make any mistakes. I want the car to be faster not just the perception or just the sotp that seems like a waste of money. We spend $ to go faster right?? Thanks, Jeff
A lot of us have come from the dark side (Mustangs), welcome to the Corvette forum. Corvettes are a very different animal than a Mustang. I build a supercharged 89 5 liter with a gt40 package

Our Corvettes with a couple of mods can become traction limited really fast. You can use our 1/4 mile challange thread (the sticky in this section) to get an idea of how fast a Corvette will go with different modifications. Please note most of the very fast cars utilize drag radials.

Before you look at gears consider that the A6 with stock gearing is plenty already. One of our members went 10.84 with some bolt ons & a small cam. Check out some of our members cars and send them a pm asking them about their cars. I am sure they will be helpful.

We also have many supporting vendors who can provide you with various packages that have produced solid results. My suggestion would be to check out some of the members cars and then shop around our many supporting vendors, good luck
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Old Dec 1, 2011 | 01:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Chuck CoW
more importantly, you're NOT taking advice from random forum members
While your suggestions may be fine and may meets his needs, this sentence is what bugs me.

This is a community where we are here to help. If Jeff wants advice from 'random forum members' then he can do it at his own discretion. If anything, 'random forum members' have no other agenda or motive other than to try to be helpful, while you on the other hand are trying to make a sale.

Don't discredit the opinions of other forum members just so you can push your product. I understand you have a business to run but ******* on the community/your customer base is a cheap shot and disservice to what we do here.
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Old Dec 1, 2011 | 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Jawnathin
While your suggestions may be fine and may meets his needs, this sentence is what bugs me.

This is a community where we are here to help. If Jeff wants advice from 'random forum members' then he can do it at his own discretion. If anything, 'random forum members' have no other agenda or motive other than to try to be helpful, while you on the other hand are trying to make a sale.

Don't discredit the opinions of other forum members just so you can push your product. I understand you have a business to run but ******* on the community/your customer base is a cheap shot and disservice to what we do here.
I disagree, I listened to some forum members that cost me a lot of money before Chuck put my car back in order. I'm sure knowone intentionally lead me to a certain vendor that cleaned my clock, but my personal experence with Chuck is
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Originally Posted by Jawnathin
While your suggestions may be fine and may meets his needs, this sentence is what bugs me.

This is a community where we are here to help. If Jeff wants advice from 'random forum members' then he can do it at his own discretion. If anything, 'random forum members' have no other agenda or motive other than to try to be helpful, while you on the other hand are trying to make a sale.

Don't discredit the opinions of other forum members just so you can push your product. I understand you have a business to run but ******* on the community/your customer base is a cheap shot and disservice to what we do here.
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I disagree, I listened to some forum members that cost me a lot of money before Chuck put my car back in order. I'm sure knowone intentionally lead me to a certain vendor that cleaned my clock, but my personal experence with Chuck is
It goes both ways. The OP needs to take ALL advice with a grain of salt. Ultimately it's his decision so a little due diligence in researching what you want and who you want to do the work will save a lot of time, hassle, and most importantly money. Contact a few shops and speak with them at length about your intended goals and budget. See how they are willing to work with you and what advice they can offer. They should be building your car the way you want it with their expertise and experience guiding the way. Don't be sold something you don't want. Make sure the shop has a lot of experience with the type of build you are interested in. Speak with the customers and get the low-down of their practices and attitude. If something just doesn't feel right, walk away. There are far too many good shops to waste your hard earned money being BS'd. Good luck.
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Originally Posted by Tommy D
A lot of us have come from the dark side (Mustangs), welcome to the Corvette forum. Corvettes are a very different animal than a Mustang. I build a supercharged 89 5 liter with a gt40 package

Our Corvettes with a couple of mods can become traction limited really fast. You can use our 1/4 mile challange thread (the sticky in this section) to get an idea of how fast a Corvette will go with different modifications. Please note most of the very fast cars utilize drag radials.

Before you look at gears consider that the A6 with stock gearing is plenty already. One of our members went 10.84 with some bolt ons & a small cam. Check out some of our members cars and send them a pm asking them about their cars. I am sure they will be helpful.

We also have many supporting vendors who can provide you with various packages that have produced solid results. My suggestion would be to check out some of the members cars and then shop around our many supporting vendors, good luck
I'd say this is some reasonable analysis and recommendations.
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Thanks for alllll your help! I'm gonna do some more research and pull the trigger when I'm ready too! This is a great forum!
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Thanks for alllll your help! I'm gonna do some more research and pull the trigger when I'm ready too! This is a great forum!
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Sounds like you want a street car with extra gittyup. Gears/convertor will benefit a dedicated drag car more than it will a street performer.I would skip them at this time and concentrate in other areas. Headers, intake are are often the first step as its the breathing building block for future mods. Thats what I initially did, then I added a Vortech S/C. A mild blower cam will likely be next up for me.
I still have the factory gears and convertor in my A6 car and the thing is a beast with them. Gets out of the hole just fine, OEM drivability, good mileage w/o the comprimises of a gear/convertor package.
Thats my take on it anyway. Of course there are many ways to skin a cat.
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