Harmonic damper wobble
#1
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Harmonic damper wobble
I had a C6 come into my friend's shop that has a slight wobble to the balancer. Its brand new. It makes no vibration, no noise from the belt, and runs perfect. Its a fraction of a mm of a wobble. Barely detectable.
For reference, I looked at my 2005, it has the exact same wobble, no issues. I looked at my hummer (LS engine in there too) and it had a worse wobble although still barely detectable. My Hummer has silky smooth revs and is not modded in any way. There is no vibration in the driver's seat nor when I put my hand on top of the engine with someone revving it.
Did anyone else have this issue? I've read about dampers failing with the rubber separating from the metal but other than belt squeal, there isnt a vibration.
I've seen two C5's this week and both have that exact same wobble none had a vibration. Is it a GM normal?
5 cars with a wobble and no belt noise or vibration cant all have bad harmonic balancers.
Did anyone have this issue and did you have a vibration or belt noise?
For reference, I looked at my 2005, it has the exact same wobble, no issues. I looked at my hummer (LS engine in there too) and it had a worse wobble although still barely detectable. My Hummer has silky smooth revs and is not modded in any way. There is no vibration in the driver's seat nor when I put my hand on top of the engine with someone revving it.
Did anyone else have this issue? I've read about dampers failing with the rubber separating from the metal but other than belt squeal, there isnt a vibration.
I've seen two C5's this week and both have that exact same wobble none had a vibration. Is it a GM normal?
5 cars with a wobble and no belt noise or vibration cant all have bad harmonic balancers.
Did anyone have this issue and did you have a vibration or belt noise?
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As noted, slight wobble is very common. It only becomes a problem when it causes your belt to chirp. You will never feel a vibration because of the wobble.
#5
Le Mans Master
My original one wobbled a little, then after a while it wobbled a lot, so I replaced it. The new one wobbles a little.
What would be helpful is an official run-out specification so we could stop using words like "a little" and "a lot."
Maybe you could put a test indicator on your collection of LS2s and we could start compiling a run-out database.
#6
Drifting
I had a C6 come into my friend's shop that has a slight wobble to the balancer. Its brand new. It makes no vibration, no noise from the belt, and runs perfect. Its a fraction of a mm of a wobble. Barely detectable.
For reference, I looked at my 2005, it has the exact same wobble, no issues. I looked at my hummer (LS engine in there too) and it had a worse wobble although still barely detectable. My Hummer has silky smooth revs and is not modded in any way. There is no vibration in the driver's seat nor when I put my hand on top of the engine with someone revving it.
Did anyone else have this issue? I've read about dampers failing with the rubber separating from the metal but other than belt squeal, there isnt a vibration.
I've seen two C5's this week and both have that exact same wobble none had a vibration. Is it a GM normal?
5 cars with a wobble and no belt noise or vibration cant all have bad harmonic balancers.
Did anyone have this issue and did you have a vibration or belt noise?
For reference, I looked at my 2005, it has the exact same wobble, no issues. I looked at my hummer (LS engine in there too) and it had a worse wobble although still barely detectable. My Hummer has silky smooth revs and is not modded in any way. There is no vibration in the driver's seat nor when I put my hand on top of the engine with someone revving it.
Did anyone else have this issue? I've read about dampers failing with the rubber separating from the metal but other than belt squeal, there isnt a vibration.
I've seen two C5's this week and both have that exact same wobble none had a vibration. Is it a GM normal?
5 cars with a wobble and no belt noise or vibration cant all have bad harmonic balancers.
Did anyone have this issue and did you have a vibration or belt noise?
01 LS1 , no wobble, 98 LS1 ,no wobble. Seems to be more common in the later LS engines . Not sure what year it started to occur.
#8
Melting Slicks
I had an issue with my 2010 base coupe. Here's the GM TSB#2489214...........(from my service receipt).........after the third visit. I could not locate any info on the net related to the number.
#10
Tech Contributor
Thread Starter
I know UD pullies like a powerbond dont have the wobble but are they acting as a vibration dampener? The GM use of the two piece with rubber is to absorb vibration. A solid unit without rubber is just a weight. I know nothing of the science behind it but since I havent seen a car without the wobble, I am led to believe that its a byproduct of the design. I know they fail making noise but I was more concerned with bearing damage if they dont do their job of absorbing vibration. I can see an out of balance engine running a solid pulley having more issues.
One thing to keep in mind is that GM considers our engines to be balanced if they are +/-70grams which is rediculous. Unless I have an aftermarket forged motor that is properly balanced, I wont run a solid pulley. I think high rpm use would be best served with a $435 ATI superdamper as opposed to a 250 dollar solid piece.
Thanks everyone for posting. Manners and pooling the experience base is what makes this forum the best around.
#11
Le Mans Master
I put a Powerbond on mine, but not the underdrive one. I used the standard size. It is not a solid piece. It has an "rubber" section to help absorb torsional vibration just like the OEM one.
#12
Platinum Supporting Dealership
Very common problem we replace 3 or 4 dampners each month c5 and c6 ls3 dosnt seem to be as bad as ls1 or ls2
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#13
Drifting
73,000 miles on my 05 Z51, and it has had a wobble the whole time. Glad to hear that it seems to be normal. Note: I have had 0 issues with my engine. I have had her since new.
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#16
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I had this problem too
I replaced the balancer with a SLP 05-06 C6 HARMONIC BALANCER/UNDERDRIVE PULLEY Part No. SLP-100225. Cleaned faces carefully and ended up with .001" runout.
Got mine from http://www.lethalperformance.com/.....cost $211
Got mine from http://www.lethalperformance.com/.....cost $211
#17
I replaced the balancer with a SLP 05-06 C6 HARMONIC BALANCER/UNDERDRIVE PULLEY Part No. SLP-100225. Cleaned faces carefully and ended up with .001" runout.
Got mine from http://www.lethalperformance.com/.....cost $211
Got mine from http://www.lethalperformance.com/.....cost $211
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